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Did Trump ‘Steal’ Missouri First Ballot Delegates from Cruz?
Conservative Review ^ | 04/12/16 | Robert Eno

Posted on 04/12/2016 6:19:43 PM PDT by writer33

Today, the Missouri Secretary of State finally released the certified results of the March 15, 2016 Republican Primary. Donald Trump received 383,631 votes (40.84 percent), and Ted Cruz received 381,666 votes (40.63 percent). The miniscule difference in vote was 1,935 out of 939,270 votes cast. Based on the state’s winner-take-all system, Trump ended up with 37 delegates to Cruz’s 15. Under Trump’s definition of ‘stealing,’ did he steal from Cruz, or were those the rules?

The result in Missouri is even more lopsided. While only 1,935 votes out of 939,270 cast separate Trump and Cruz, Trump won over 70 percent of the delegates in the state based on these results.

Trump has taken to calling the delegate process “unfair,” and is saying that the rules have allowed Cruz to “steal” second ballot delegates. Trump’s convention manager Paul Manafort, has even called what Cruz is doing, “Gestapo Tactics.” That begs the question: Is Trump getting 247 percent more delegates than Cruz in Missouri fair?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cruz; cuckservatives; missouri; trump; wearesocuck
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Yes! It is fair because those were the rules of the game before the process started. Missouri’s rules were clearly promulgated as winner-take-all, statewide and by district. If Trump won by only a single vote, the delegate allocation would be similar.

Hard data and graphs at site.

1 posted on 04/12/2016 6:19:44 PM PDT by writer33
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“Based on the state’s winner-take-all system, Trump ended up with 37 delegates to Cruz’s 15. Under Trump’s definition of ‘stealing,’ did he steal from Cruz, or were those the rules?”

No, moron, because PEOPLE GOT TO VOTE.


2 posted on 04/12/2016 6:20:49 PM PDT by Pravious
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To: Pravious

What does “winner take all” mean???

North Carolina lost the national Championship basketball game by 3 points...Does that mean they should get a share of the title???

Answer: NO....


3 posted on 04/12/2016 6:22:29 PM PDT by JBW1949
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To: writer33

Let’s stop playing games and make it winner takes all!


4 posted on 04/12/2016 6:22:39 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: Pravious
Did Trump ‘Steal’ Missouri First Ballot Delegates from Cruz?

He got them the old school way ... people voted, Trump won.
5 posted on 04/12/2016 6:23:15 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

65,000 people voted in the Colorado caucus.


6 posted on 04/12/2016 6:24:35 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Pravious
No, moron, because PEOPLE GOT TO VOTE.

Precisely, thanks.

Because it's rocket science.

7 posted on 04/12/2016 6:25:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: writer33

Lyin’ Trump stealing delegates! Donny Kardashian isn’t on twitter talking about that??


8 posted on 04/12/2016 6:25:36 PM PDT by Mac n Jac (www.vetsfightingms.org)
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To: writer33

Hilarious!

Hey, let’s do that thing liberals do where you attack somebody and accuse them of doing the very thing you are doing.


9 posted on 04/12/2016 6:26:50 PM PDT by CharleysPride
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To: flintsilver7
65,000 people voted in the Colorado caucus.

And not one of those votes had any influence on the delegate selection.
10 posted on 04/12/2016 6:26:55 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
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Moron. One was a primary where all citizens who chose to vote,
voted in a primary...for a candidate.

CO was a “convention” where you voted for a “delegate”.

What kind of moron equates the two?


11 posted on 04/12/2016 6:27:45 PM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance)
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To: softwarecreator

Where’s the “like” button when you need it?


12 posted on 04/12/2016 6:27:46 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject)
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To: writer33

13 posted on 04/12/2016 6:28:21 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: writer33
Under Trump’s definition of ‘stealing,’ did he steal from Cruz, or were those the rules?

Of course not. No complaint about a winner take all based on a vote has been raised. People generally understand and accept that some states do winner-take-all delegates, and some do proportional delegates, and there are reasonable arguments for both systems of how to distribute delegate slots per people who see themselves as voting for candidates.

Cheating is when one candidate wins a delegate slot, but the delegate put in that slot is not loyal to the candidate that one the slot but is chosen by another or bribed.

I have confidence that most people that support Cruz would agree with this simple distinction, and only people who are feverish over the top supporters of Cruz would ask something so silly.

14 posted on 04/12/2016 6:29:38 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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>>> No, moron, because PEOPLE GOT TO VOTE.

+1


15 posted on 04/12/2016 6:30:45 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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AndyTheBear, your grammar is atrocious, you must be an idiot:

....that one the slot...

16 posted on 04/12/2016 6:30:53 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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65,000 people voted in the Colorado caucus.

There are 900,000 registered Republicans in Colorado.

So what you're really saying is that 835,000 people were disenfranchised and denied their right to vote. That's NINETY THREE PERCENT.

Thanks for playing.

17 posted on 04/12/2016 6:32:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Of course they did. Those 65,000 elected people to serve as delegates to the state and Congressional district conventions, which then selected the final delegates. The intermediate delegates were selected on March 1st based on who they pledged to support.

This is not new in Colorado and the participation rate has been relatively constant in the recent past. The mouth-breathing angry WWE/NASCAR folks now angrily throwing beer cans at their televisions don’t change that.


18 posted on 04/12/2016 6:33:56 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: AndyTheBear

You’re the idiot for correcting my grammar you moron.


19 posted on 04/12/2016 6:34:03 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: tennmountainman; writer33
CO was a “convention” where you voted for a “delegate”.

So... people in CO vote for an unknown person (unknown as far as who they are, who they might vote for, etc.) ?

On what basis do the voters decide what delegates to vote for ?

I am asking because I don't understand this 'vote for a delegate' process.

20 posted on 04/12/2016 6:36:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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