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Trump proposes funding wall by cutting off remittances
Associated Press ^ | Apr 5, 2016 10:12 AM EDT

Posted on 04/05/2016 7:16:56 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Donald Trump would force Mexico to pay for a border wall by threatening to cut off billions of dollars in remittances sent by immigrants living in the U.S., according to a memo released by his campaign Tuesday.

The memo outlines how Trump would try to compel Mexico to pay for a 1,000-mile wall if he becomes president.

In his proposal, Trump threatened to change a rule under the USA PATRIOT Act, an anti-terrorism law, to cut off funds sent to Mexico through money transfers known as remittances. Trump said he would withdraw the threat if Mexico makes “a one-time payment of $5-10 billion” to finance the wall. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderwall; remittances; trump
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To: eyeamok
You are confusing the difference between two different things -- a lawfully imposed tax, and a complete bar/seizure.

A tax can be collected without a "presumption of innocence", but it does require Congressional action. Also, Trump today said he was going to bar remittances, not tax them. Big difference.

The barring on remittances was something Trump's memo said would apply to those who couldn't prove legal residence. But as virtually every employer knows, getting bogus documentation is easy, as is simply giving the money to a lawful resident surrogate.

It sounds like a great idea, but it wouldn't work. The solutions that really would work require Congress, and the best of those is the imposition of a tax on remittances.

121 posted on 04/05/2016 5:15:26 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Lower Deck

Well that could be if we got so lucky. I said in the beginning that $10 billion was a small price for the US to pay to get rid of the illegals. Renegotiating NAFTA would also bring back some dollars that could go to pay for the wall. Lots of ways to skin a cat.


122 posted on 04/05/2016 5:38:19 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Didn’t say it wouldn’t take Congress, nor that it could be done by E. I said it could be done tomorrow.


123 posted on 04/05/2016 7:36:01 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I get sick of people basing their opinions on what they think he can or can’t do. I could just see a Dem in 2008 poo-poo-ing the Obama campaign, “he’ll never pass healthcare reform, way too complicated, and the Republicans will never go for it!”

It’s a campaign, politicians talk about what they want to do, judge them based on that, not what you think they’ll actually be able to do.


124 posted on 04/05/2016 8:15:14 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

See I think it will work, who is going to stop him? Congress? The court has no means of enforcement. I see it this way, if you play Their Game, you LOSE no matter what. Someone has to start mixing it up and Change the Game. Then firmly tell them to Go Pound Sand.


125 posted on 04/05/2016 8:30:36 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: InterceptPoint

Wrong, moron.

He is telling Mexico that he is going to build a wall and they will be responsible for paying for it, whether that be via taxes on remittances, tariffs on trade or some other means. Regardless as to which method or means the money comes from,they are going to pay for it. Deal with it, moron. Now, go away, jackwagon.


126 posted on 04/05/2016 9:28:44 PM PDT by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Wrong, moron.

He is telling Mexico that he is going to build a wall and they will be responsible for paying for it, whether that be via taxes on remittances, tariffs on trade or some other means. Regardless as to which method or means the money comes from,they are going to pay for it. Deal with it, moron. Now, go away, jackwagon.


127 posted on 04/05/2016 9:28:45 PM PDT by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: TXSearcher

I read that there is a part in the Patriot Act that says you have to prove that you are legally in the US to send money abroad.


128 posted on 04/05/2016 11:41:59 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: vette6387

Here’s an idea cut off welfare to able-bodied Americans. Welfare has really distorted the labor market wage mechanicisms. Welfare has made the minimum wage useless. Then it becomes work or starve.


129 posted on 04/06/2016 12:14:50 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Olog-hai

Collecting a tax on remittances is the easy part of the proposal. The US is very good (for the most part) at collecting taxes. IMHO, they should tax all remittances. As we know not just Mexicans use our the southern border to cross illegally. This is just a transaction tax like virtually every tax in America. The hard part is actually building the wall.


130 posted on 04/06/2016 12:28:10 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Roger Kaputnik
He is telling Mexico that he is going to build a wall and they will be responsible for paying for it, whether that be via taxes on remittances, tariffs on trade or some other means. Regardless as to which method or means the money comes from,they are going to pay for it. Deal with it, moron. Now, go away, jackwagon.

I've been here awhile. I express my opinions. That's what forums are for. You are entitled to yours. I'm entitled to mine. Get used to it.

And tariffs, BTW, are a tax on the American consumer not the selling nation unless they are willing to sell their products at a loss. As for the taxing of remittances I'm speculating that the Mexicans will simply get their money back to Mexico by other means. And for certain we will NEVER EVER get a check from the government of Mexico to pay for the wall. That is never going to happen.

And I'm starting to think that the wall will be built the way Ted Cruz wants it built. Your guy is having a couple of really bad weeks and had a terrible Tuesday in Wisconsin. That ARG poll was off by 30 percentage points.

131 posted on 04/06/2016 4:19:25 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: eyeamok
See I think it will work, who is going to stop him? Congress? The court has no means of enforcement.

You've got that backwards. How is Trump going to enforce it? He's the one who is going to have to force private citizens to comply with his order. And without the courts to back him up, he'll lose.

132 posted on 04/06/2016 4:58:54 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: eyeamok
Of course not, the Tax Court essentially follows civil procedures. An administrative decision that there's been a violation or you're deficient monetarily has already been made when a case arrives. That doesn't mean a case can be brought with no factual basis. You're contending remittances can be taxed without Congressional action because you deem them to be "illegally" earned wages, whatever that is. Sorry, they all aren't, you'll have to prove that. And if you can prove a remittance is derived from "illegal" employment, so what. The worker has zero obligation to collect and pay withholding is the employers, not the employees. That has been our system for a long time, not what you propose. In the unlikely event you could make the wage-remittance connection you might be able to pursue a non filing charge, if the employee was required to file.

IMO best solution if you actually have facts, deport the illegal and fine (or imprison) the employer. Those are laws on the books, easily though not frequently enforced. Never enforced, the false W2 filing, for employee and employer

133 posted on 04/06/2016 5:05:16 AM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, sheÂ’s so beautiful and sheÂ’s so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: bjorn14
I read that there is a part in the Patriot Act that says you have to prove that you are legally in the US to send money abroad.

I didn't know that. Do you think they actually check to see if the person can "legally" send money or not?

Since so many of our laws have been "ignored" to push the illegal alien agenda, I seriously doubt it.

134 posted on 04/06/2016 7:02:45 AM PDT by TXSearcher (The anti-RINO rebellion is being won by a NY RINO.......truth IS stranger than fiction.)
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To: TXSearcher
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135 posted on 04/06/2016 7:04:36 AM PDT by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: timestax
I have absolutely no idea why you sent me a picture about amnesty protesters, since it has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
136 posted on 04/06/2016 7:11:04 AM PDT by TXSearcher (The anti-RINO rebellion is being won by a NY RINO.......truth IS stranger than fiction.)
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