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VANITY: What states would Ted Cruz win in 2016 that Romney lost in 2012?
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Posted on 04/03/2016 6:31:03 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2

Would some Cruz people please tell me, and be specific with EV counts, what states would Ted Cruz win that Mitt Romney did NOT win in 2012, and get to a total of at least 270 EV's?


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To: deport
I’ll vote for anyone that has a chance to win in order to keep Hillary out of the Presidential Office.

That's NOT going to be Ted Cruz. He's not going to get the nomination despite his bending over and kissing the backsides of the GOP-E.

He's a fool to think otherwise, and so are those who continue to support him in the primaries.

You have a blessed Sunday as well, I'm leaving for church soon to pray for my family and country.

81 posted on 04/03/2016 7:45:49 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

It’s on my permanent record that I support Sen. Cruz.

Whatever.


82 posted on 04/03/2016 7:46:17 AM PDT by ziravan (How can Trump supporters oppose a Bogel for the Glotch?)
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To: Eccl 10:2
I live in the Tampa metropolitan area. I moved to Florida in 2007 and lived in Palm Beach County until 2014. Worked on the McCain and Romney campaigns and was part of the war room legal team for Rick Scott’s 2014 re-election.

McCain failed for a host of reasons. His remarks in mid-September of 2008 (“The fundamentals of the American economy are strong...”) were contradicted by everything American voters knew, could see and feel at the time. His grandstanding by returning to the Senate later in the campaign to shepard the first stimulus bill (which failed to pass in a Democratically controlled Senate) was a foolish tactical error as Obama stayed out on the campaign trail to snipe at him. From the Florida level – his campaign was poorly organized, unfocused.

Romney had a chance in Florida in 2012. Lost by less than 80K votes. The ORCA failure might have contributed to half of that margin. Very poorly managed GOTV and election day operations. They were no where near the Obama folks in analytics/voter segmentation and microtargeting.

Rick Scott had a healthy budget in 2014, had tons of paid staff, and won re-election by 70,000+ votes out of 5.6M cast.

I am a Cruz supporter. I realize he does not inspire warm and fuzzy feelings with a lot of the electorate. But what I would ask you consider is this:

Assume Cruz is the nominee.

Imagine the contrast expressed when he stands on stage with only Hillary Clinton as the alternative.

Whether the Justice department has declined to seek an indictment of her at that point or not, is there any doubt that Cruz could virtually indict her on the stage of the debates? He will tear her apart. No one else could do that. Especially after watching Trump flub questions from Chris Matthews, you know he could not confront and dismantle HRC nearly as well.

Trump has never progressed beyond sloganeering in the primary campaign so far. Whoever is standing with her on the debate stage in the fall will need to do battle with a real policy wonk, which she is. Cruz could do that in his sleep.

Cruz’s campaign has sophisticated analytics and segmentation working right now in the primaries. They seem to be conversant in the things they will need to know and execute in the fall. You cannot count on the RNC to provide that.

My view of Florida is that Hillary will not turn out the vote on he Democratic side that Obama did in 2012. Cruz should be able to get all of what Romney saw in 2012, and then some. With the right VP selection (not Kasich, there are other ways to win OH), I think it makes FL well within play. The other states I will leave to other observers.

My faith in Cruz in FL in the general election is based on what happened in 2012, his strengths compared to the 2012 candidate (who could not achieve a strong contrast with anything, who was muzzled by the moderator at the most critical moment in the televised debates), and my sense of the weakness Clinton will exhibit here in turning out anything like Obama did in 2012 among minority voters.

83 posted on 04/03/2016 7:46:24 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Eccl 10:2

He might get VA. As of right now he’d lose FL, OH, PA, MI.

I guess he would get NC, maybe CO, NV, IN, and MO. Those are all iffy.


84 posted on 04/03/2016 7:46:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: gg188
I firmly believe Cruz could bring along Quebec, and probably British Columbia.

I'm certainly glad my coffee cup was empty when I raised it to my lips and read your post! :-)

85 posted on 04/03/2016 7:47:08 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ziravan

Right now according to polls Trump would beat her in NC, FL, and according to a couple of polls, OH and MI. A very old poll had him beating her in PA.


86 posted on 04/03/2016 7:47:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: usconservative

Blah, blah, blah.


87 posted on 04/03/2016 7:47:48 AM PDT by John W (Under One Year And Counting!)
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To: ziravan
It’s on my permanent record that I support Sen. Cruz.

So you have a long history of foolishness then. Whatever.

88 posted on 04/03/2016 7:48:28 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ziravan

“Cruz is the more likely nominee?” In what universe.

Cruzers just don’t get it.

He will never. NEVER. NEVER. get the nomination. It’s still possible (not likely) that he can stop Trump, but he will never, ever be allowed to get the nomination.


89 posted on 04/03/2016 7:48:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: John W
Another Cruz supporter who refuses to face reality heard from.

Have a blessed Sunday.

90 posted on 04/03/2016 7:49:16 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

That’s NOT going to be Ted Cruz.

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I agree with that. But that wasn’t the question I was responding to.


91 posted on 04/03/2016 7:49:33 AM PDT by deport
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To: usconservative

Same to you.


92 posted on 04/03/2016 7:51:25 AM PDT by John W (Under One Year And Counting!)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Well, this is just my opinion, but Ohio with 18, Florida with 29, Iowa with 6, Colorado with 9, and possibly Virginia with 13. That comes out to 75, now of those I can see certain problems which actually would require a campaign to be run to address, but that is what I see.


93 posted on 04/03/2016 7:51:53 AM PDT by PA-LU Student (Ted Cruz. The one man the Republican Field is afraid to debate one on one!)
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To: Kegger

LOL! FReeper humor BUMP! Thanks, Kegger.


94 posted on 04/03/2016 7:53:36 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: John Valentine

Trump is kicking Ted’s ass so any argument that Ted is the better candidate is simple lunacy. You need to try and come up with a less moronic argument. Most of us understand that with you that may be an impossible endeavor.


95 posted on 04/03/2016 8:01:43 AM PDT by tatown (#Cheatin' Ted - A 'principled' conservative)
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To: LNV

“Nobody talks about Hillary’s favorability with men. Hint: it’s bad.”

Trump should bring this up everytime the 70% women thing comes up.


96 posted on 04/03/2016 8:02:43 AM PDT by Proudcongal
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To: Rational Thought

Very good point. Women want to Make America Great Again just as much as men. Trump’s packed rallies are over 50% women.

The media is lying like you said, but also they are misguided. They have always been suckers for the loudmouth self appointed leader spokesperson type, like “black leader” Al Sharpton, who doesn’t represent what blacks think, and feminist leaders who don’t really represent women.

And don’t believe the push polls - they are totally rigged and/or stuffed with leading questions based on wishful thinking and preconception.


97 posted on 04/03/2016 8:02:49 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Eccl 10:2

The dynamics of this election are much different than 2012, so I don’t know if we can make a fair comparison.


98 posted on 04/03/2016 8:03:07 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: nclaurel

And all the women I know, except one, are stunned at the political situation we’re in. So the best we can do is look at the polls.


99 posted on 04/03/2016 8:04:37 AM PDT by llmc1 (None of the above 2016)
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To: jocon307

I’ll join you.


100 posted on 04/03/2016 8:05:17 AM PDT by llmc1 (None of the above 2016)
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