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To: freedumb2003

“You have to wonder about the Osprey vs. the Harrier in real combat conditions.”

Well, actually, you really don’t. An Osprey is an unarmed cargo helicopter, a Sea Harrier is a jet fighter with missiles and cannons.


3 posted on 03/20/2016 10:54:29 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble mined asses overthrown,,,)
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To: DesertRhino

The stupidity of not having a modern “Harrier” capability fighter jet is that Mig 29s, F16/18/22/35’s can’t land on a highway or on a hard desert surface and be ready for instance combat once it takes off in a hostile land.

In places like Afghanistan and Iraq, putting fighters like the Harrier in dispersed areas would give friendly forces on-station combat aircraft instead of having to wait for carrier-based planes or major airport base-planes to take off and fly hundreds of miles to a target or to support embattled ground troops.

Also, they have the jump-up combat tactic of staying on the ground or hovering just above it until a good target comes into view/range, and then jumping up, firing, and disappearing below ground level vision.

I know this happened in at least one war, or maybe two. Thinking of the Falkland Island war of about 1983 and possible Gulf War I (Desert Storm).

Our Air Force is trying to get rid of the A-1 Warthog, one of the most destructive anti-tank, anti-vehicle, and anti-bunker aircraft in the war.

Then the Harrier was junked (I think we bought some British ones for parts, or was it the Israelis (who always think years ahead of us).

The Navy and/or Air Force dropped teaching pilots and sailors Morse Code, a very valuable tool when other means of communication are unavailable (See the move “Independence Day” and the one with Bruce Willis in which they used CB radio frequencies because the more common wavelengths were kaput.)

A couple of late friends of mine who were in the Hanoi Hilton showed us how Morse Code could be used, right in front of the enemies’ propaganda camers. Ad. Jeremiah Denton blinked “tortured” to the world when they used him as a showcase figure of how well they were treating American POWS.

Jerry, a friend of mine, was one smart man. So were the other POWS who used Morse Code tappings on their cell walls and doors to talk to the other “guests” in the -5 Star hotel known as the Hanoi Hilton and torture center.

American leaders seem to have a policy of if it works, get rid of it and buy something experimental, very expensive, and full of bugs to replace it immediately.

Believe me, this attitude is rampage in certain parts of the US Government. I’ve been fighting it for over 20 years, winning some battles but still encountering sheer incompetence and stupidity “beyond your greatest imagination”.


5 posted on 03/20/2016 11:32:09 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DesertRhino

>>Well, actually, you really don’t. An Osprey is an unarmed cargo helicopter<<

MUI the Osprey was to replace both the Harrier VTL and the various incarnations of the Chinook troop copters.

Apparently MUI improperly placed?


13 posted on 03/21/2016 3:13:59 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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