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To: DesertRhino

The stupidity of not having a modern “Harrier” capability fighter jet is that Mig 29s, F16/18/22/35’s can’t land on a highway or on a hard desert surface and be ready for instance combat once it takes off in a hostile land.

In places like Afghanistan and Iraq, putting fighters like the Harrier in dispersed areas would give friendly forces on-station combat aircraft instead of having to wait for carrier-based planes or major airport base-planes to take off and fly hundreds of miles to a target or to support embattled ground troops.

Also, they have the jump-up combat tactic of staying on the ground or hovering just above it until a good target comes into view/range, and then jumping up, firing, and disappearing below ground level vision.

I know this happened in at least one war, or maybe two. Thinking of the Falkland Island war of about 1983 and possible Gulf War I (Desert Storm).

Our Air Force is trying to get rid of the A-1 Warthog, one of the most destructive anti-tank, anti-vehicle, and anti-bunker aircraft in the war.

Then the Harrier was junked (I think we bought some British ones for parts, or was it the Israelis (who always think years ahead of us).

The Navy and/or Air Force dropped teaching pilots and sailors Morse Code, a very valuable tool when other means of communication are unavailable (See the move “Independence Day” and the one with Bruce Willis in which they used CB radio frequencies because the more common wavelengths were kaput.)

A couple of late friends of mine who were in the Hanoi Hilton showed us how Morse Code could be used, right in front of the enemies’ propaganda camers. Ad. Jeremiah Denton blinked “tortured” to the world when they used him as a showcase figure of how well they were treating American POWS.

Jerry, a friend of mine, was one smart man. So were the other POWS who used Morse Code tappings on their cell walls and doors to talk to the other “guests” in the -5 Star hotel known as the Hanoi Hilton and torture center.

American leaders seem to have a policy of if it works, get rid of it and buy something experimental, very expensive, and full of bugs to replace it immediately.

Believe me, this attitude is rampage in certain parts of the US Government. I’ve been fighting it for over 20 years, winning some battles but still encountering sheer incompetence and stupidity “beyond your greatest imagination”.


5 posted on 03/20/2016 11:32:09 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

“American leaders seem to have a policy of if it works, get rid of it and buy something experimental, very expensive, and full of bugs to replace it immediately.”

Interesting and thought-provoking comment


9 posted on 03/21/2016 12:07:08 AM PDT by indcons (Lurker mode mostly)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

There is a STOVL version of the F-35.


10 posted on 03/21/2016 1:42:17 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Of course, but there’s something to be said for:
Supersonic capability.
Long-range capability.
Significant ordinance capability.
Significant BVR and dogfight capability.

Harriers were overrated.
They were rarely deployed forward on unimproved surfaces, and then only as a token demonstration.


17 posted on 03/21/2016 5:46:59 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Oh, and the MIG-29s were DESIGNED to operate from unimproved runways, roads, etc. The intakes actually close up and draw from the TOP, preventing the ingestion of roadway, field, farm debris.


18 posted on 03/21/2016 5:48:28 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
American leaders seem to have a policy of if it works, get rid of it and buy something experimental, very expensive, and full of bugs to replace it immediately.

Or more precisely: "If it works, get rid of it and pay off a defense contractor to make a new, buggy one so that the cost overruns will guarantee my own cushy post-government/military lobbying job for decades." :)

19 posted on 03/21/2016 5:54:36 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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