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1 posted on 03/18/2016 11:46:08 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

The intelligent idiots jumped the shark, solar is not perfected yet but they used it as a scam anyway to get rich by payinf off thier friends with our tax dollars which was the main objective anyway


2 posted on 03/18/2016 11:48:42 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: beaversmom

Prepare for the flames, Cali!


3 posted on 03/18/2016 11:48:51 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: beaversmom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_tortoise


4 posted on 03/18/2016 11:50:12 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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And Hillary wants to shut down coal plants that produce cheap and reliable energy.


5 posted on 03/18/2016 11:50:31 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: beaversmom

I am bound to confess that the engineer in me is thrilled by this project.


6 posted on 03/18/2016 11:51:22 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: beaversmom

My old company went bankrupt chasing solar.

It can work in certain areas and within limits, but it is a supplement, not a sole generation source.


8 posted on 03/18/2016 11:52:52 AM PDT by redgolum
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“A federally backed, $2.2 billion solar project in the California desert isn’t producing the electricity it is contractually required to deliver to PG&E Corp., which says the solar plant may be forced to shut down if it doesn’t receive a break Thursday from state regulators.”

You mean it wasn’t properly engineered, or the regs changed? Doesn’t matter, CA is screwed anyway, I guess, but someone should walk the plank. These moops decide they can go unchallenged in these half-assed engineering schemes because they are GENIUSES, then can’t deliver time and again there. No wonder CA is screwed up.


9 posted on 03/18/2016 11:53:04 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?" - Gen. "Chesty" Puller, at a flamethrower demonstration.)
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To: beaversmom

$200 per Megawatt/hour. 200!

And that’s with Natural Gas as a supplement.

This power-station is a train-wreck. An extremely lucrative train-wreck.

It will (eventually) go out of business and have to be demolished. It will then require careful handling of the hectares of lethally toxic panel-coatings.


11 posted on 03/18/2016 11:54:19 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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From 2011:

Google Invests $168 Million in Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2704103/posts

12 posted on 03/18/2016 11:54:34 AM PDT by beaversmom
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Also discussed here:

Obama-Backed Solar Plant Could Be Shut Down For Not Producing Enough Energy [Ivanpah]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3410760/posts

17 posted on 03/18/2016 11:57:43 AM PDT by beaversmom
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ping!


19 posted on 03/18/2016 12:00:10 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: beaversmom
financed with $1.5 billion in federal loans,

I could have used that money.

20 posted on 03/18/2016 12:00:56 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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The $2.2 Billion Bird-Scorching Solar Project At California’s Ivanpah Plant

Cooked Bird

“cooked bird” Image Credit: BrightSource Energy

It’s not just Wind Turbines that kill wildlife, from the Wall Street Journal:

“A giant solar-power project officially opening this week in the California desert is the first of its kind, and may be among the last, in part because of growing evidence that the technology it uses is killing birds.”

“The $2.2 billion solar farm, which spans over five square miles of federal land southwest of Las Vegas, includes three towers as tall as 40-story buildings. Nearly 350,000 mirrors, each the size of a garage door, reflect sunlight onto boilers atop the towers, creating steam that drives power generators.”

“The owners of the project— NRG Energy Inc., NRG, Google Inc. GOOG and BrightSource Energy Inc., the company that developed the “tower power” solar technology—call the plant a major feat of engineering that can light up about 140,000 homes a year.”

“Ivanpah is among the biggest in a spate of power-plant-sized solar projects that have begun operating in the past two years, spurred in part by a hefty investment tax credit that expires at the end of 2016. Most of them are in California, where state law requires utilities to use renewable sources for a third of the electricity they sell by 2020.”

“Utility-scale solar plants have come under fire for their costs–Ivanpah costs about four times as much as a conventional natural gas-fired plant but will produce far less electricity—and also for the amount of land they require.

That makes for expensive power. Experts have estimated that electricity from giant solar projects will cost at least twice as much as electricity from conventional sources. But neither the utilities that have contracted to buy the power nor state regulators have disclosed what the price will be, only that it will be passed on to electricity customers.”

“The BrightSource system appears to be scorching birds that fly through the intense heat surrounding the towers, which can reach 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The company, which is based in Oakland, Calif., reported finding dozens of dead birds at the Ivanpah plant over the past several months, while workers were testing the plant before it started operating in December. Some of the dead birds appeared to have singed or burned feathers, according to federal biologists and documents filed with the state Energy Commission.”

“Regulators said they anticipated that some birds would be killed once the Ivanpah plant started operating, but that they didn’t expect so many to die during the plant’s construction and testing. The dead birds included a peregrine falcon, a grebe, two hawks, four nighthawks and a variety of warblers and sparrows. State and federal regulators are overseeing a two-year study of the facility’s effects on birds.”

“The agency also is investigating the deaths of birds, possibly from colliding with structures, found at two other, unrelated solar farms. One of those projects relies on solar panels and the other one uses mirrored troughs. Biologists think some birds may have mistaken the vast shimmering solar arrays at all three installations for a lake and become trapped on the ground after landing.”

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28 posted on 03/18/2016 12:16:50 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
A federally backed, $2.2 billion solar project in California

That pretty much says it all. Solyndra on steroids.

31 posted on 03/18/2016 12:37:37 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Update:

California Regulators Give Ivanpah Solar Plant More Time
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3410943/posts?page=5


35 posted on 03/18/2016 1:07:34 PM PDT by beaversmom
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I pity the poor duck that thinks that it is a shimmering pond of water and tries to land.


37 posted on 03/18/2016 1:12:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: beaversmom
"... solar power plant be forced to go dark?"

The solar power plant goes dark every single night.
Very reliably I'd say.

40 posted on 03/18/2016 1:44:24 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: beaversmom

I thought there was a similar plant in Spain that was actually working.


42 posted on 03/18/2016 1:50:09 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2012/02/pictures/120228-spain-solar-energy/


43 posted on 03/18/2016 1:53:06 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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