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Question for discussion - Should Cruz Drop Out?
3/16/16 | Self (vanity question to Freepers)

Posted on 03/16/2016 12:25:38 PM PDT by ifinnegan

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To: ifinnegan
A side point (being a Cruz guy, I don't want him to drop out while he is still in the running)...

Should Kasich drop out? Many have noted that Trump seems to have a ceiling of about 50%. If this is so, Cruz has a chance to win the nomination before the Convention if Kasich drops out. If it is NOT true (as every Trump supporter is yelling right now), then Trump can win before the convention if Kasich drops out. Kasich needs 1095 delegates to reach 1237, and there are only 1079 available now, so he cannot win before the Convention. Kasich's ONLY reason to stay is to PREVENT either of our main option, Trump or Cruz, from earning the spot before the GOPe can steal it from them both, deny the GOP voters' choice, and name their own milquetoast to hand the win to Hillary so that the UniParty can continue unscathed in a year when 2/3 of both parties were totally against the Establishment.

It is Kasich who should drop out, and let Trump v Cruz happen, and let the GOP voters pick their candidate, not the establishment delegates and the RNC in a Convention.

41 posted on 03/16/2016 12:38:55 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: ifinnegan

Would beginning to support a candidate and put the bitter rivalry behind us be a good thing yes... but I wouldn’t bet on it happening.


42 posted on 03/16/2016 12:39:28 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ifinnegan

Absolutely not. If Trump wants it, make him win it.

Kasich, on the other han, yes. He can remain in the race only as a scam to steal votes away from a candidate who actually can win. He is a defacto Trump surrogate whether that’s how hw sees himself or not.

It’s. Nasty business, and Kasich is revealed as a nasty man with evil intent.

Both remaining candidates with respecable delegate counts ought to take Kasih to the woodshed for low-life he is.


43 posted on 03/16/2016 12:39:30 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: chris37

Sounds good but Beck would stab Cruz or anyone to death. Beck near Cruz is poison for me.


44 posted on 03/16/2016 12:39:58 PM PDT by magua (baby)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Bugger off, Puny.


45 posted on 03/16/2016 12:40:01 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Still Thinking

“I think Cruz has been trying to get to a two-man race against The Donald, thinking he can win that, and results suggest maybe he can.”

That kind of inspired the question.

Does the RNC think they can beat Trump in a two man race with their man Kasich?

I don’t think they do.


46 posted on 03/16/2016 12:40:42 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

I want Cruz to stay in. Now, if he wants to withdraw at the convention to prevent a floor fight, that would be fine with me.


47 posted on 03/16/2016 12:41:19 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: magua

Hah!

Beck would lose it if that happened.

48 posted on 03/16/2016 12:42:14 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, that’s a desire often expressed on FR, but I wonder - since the VP works for the President, what would Cruz supporters think of a Cruz who negotiates a position that makes him subservient to Trump, and where he would be responsible for helping to advance the Trump agenda?

As a Trump guy, I want to see him pick the best person who brings the most to the VP position, and I’m not sure that is Ted Cruz. I say that not to diminish Cruz’s abilities, I just see him better suited to the Supreme Court, where I really believe he would be the next Scalia.


49 posted on 03/16/2016 12:42:16 PM PDT by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: ifinnegan

Cruz needs to debate Donald and that is over. In Ted’s mind he is the best at debating and it is off the table.


50 posted on 03/16/2016 12:42:57 PM PDT by magua (baby)
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To: JediJones

Kasich will play as well and probably a bit better than Cruz in the mid atlantic and north east.... There is no way for him to get the nomination, but without Kasich in the race, Trump tops 50% and triggers the WTA clauses in most of the remaining states that are hybrid.

With Kasich in the race, Trump’s delegate count actually grows slower than it does without him in the race IMHO.


51 posted on 03/16/2016 12:43:04 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: DouglasKC

Not so. His path is narrow but honest.

Not so for Kasich. His candadicy is based entirely on stealing votes away from the two viable ones left.

Cruz and Trump will control the convention, and they should make it loud and public that they will not allow Kasich’s name place in nomination, that he will not. Be allowed to speak at the conventoin, and that his delegates will be frozen out of every commitee possible.


52 posted on 03/16/2016 12:43:31 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Liz

“After 10 months in the Senate, he decides he/s presidential timber.”

Oh, you mean like 0bemba?


53 posted on 03/16/2016 12:43:39 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: ifinnegan

The purpose of the primary process is to eliminate the bottom tier of candidates. As such, when it is no longer possible for a candidate to win, it is appropriate for them to drop out. One can even argue that when it becomes clear that there is not enough support within the party, the candidate should drop out.

Sen Cruz has not yet crossed either of those two points. One can easily argue that his chances are diminishing and that his is approaching these points. But also understand that the nomination is not the be all, end all, of the nomination process.

There is a whole lot of horse trading that goes on at a convention. If you support me with this (legislation, position, nomination, etc) then I will tell my supporters to support you.... etc. To that end, a non-nominee candidate can often obtain more concessions based upon their number of delegates.

Now given all of this, I want Sen Cruz to trade for a viable position for him. One example would be a nomination to SCOTUS. Another reason that I want him to stay in is for the possibility of a VP position. That would make it virtually impossible for the GOPe to nominate anyone else except a Trump/Cruz ticket without tearing the party apart.


54 posted on 03/16/2016 12:44:37 PM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: magua

“Brokered convention Cruz is the odd man out.”

I’m not so sure. The GOPs talking heads made a miraculous rush to prop Cruz up last night. Cruz already has all the GOPe apparatus installed. Kasich could just be a decoy.

If Trump makes a deal with Rubio he does an end run.


55 posted on 03/16/2016 12:45:11 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: ifinnegan

Cruz should offer the VP spot to Kasich in exchange for Kasich dropping out. Then we’ll see who can get a majority of the GOP voters to back whom in a 1-1 race.


56 posted on 03/16/2016 12:46:17 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Fifth Avenue to be Born?)
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To: ifinnegan

There was a poll a week ago that showed Trump loses to Rubio or Cruz in a one-on-one. Hard to imagine Kasich wouldn’t beat him too with this margin.

Cruz beats Trump 54 percent to 41 percent among all registered Republicans, and Rubio beats him 51 percent to 41 percent.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1176a1The2016Primaries.pdf


57 posted on 03/16/2016 12:47:43 PM PDT by JediJones (I'm with Ted Cruz, Mark Levin, Dana Loesch, Steve Deace, Michelle Malkin, James Woods & Ben Shapiro)
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To: HamiltonJay

I don’t agree with your analysis. Kasich in the mix hurts Cruz, not Trump.


58 posted on 03/16/2016 12:47:59 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: moehoward

Rubio brings nothing, no legislative experience to speak of, and obviously not Florida. Kasich would bring Ohio as well as legislative and gubenatorial experience. Newt would bring legislative experience and his other attributes, as well as some baggage. But I think Trump will be looking for a VP along the lines of Gingrich and Kasich.


59 posted on 03/16/2016 12:48:48 PM PDT by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: ifinnegan

Trump is now reaping the results of his crassness and vicious ad hominem attacks on everyone he saw as a potential threat.

So the thinking at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago is do we apologize to Sen Cruz and sew this up now or do we keep up the antics and every day worry that the GOPe and the msm might unleash their bombshell attacks and take the chance that one just might hit the central magazine storage area?

If they say “screw Cruz”,they not only have to deal with him now but also as the preeminent conservative in the Senate through which all things will pass. If he stood up in the Senate and called McConnell a liar( which has never been denied by McConnell or any other Senator at that meeting)do you think he is going to compromise on Trump’s Iran Treaty, SCOTUS nomination etc?


60 posted on 03/16/2016 12:49:03 PM PDT by Cyman
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