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To: John Valentine

>>> The truth is that challenges to Cruz will meet precisely the same fate as challenges to Obama. And, Cruz has this fact on his side: He IS a natural born citizen of the US, despite his Canadian birthplace.

The challenge wont be decided in court. It will be decided in the senate where it SHOULD BE, ACCORDING to the courts which dismissed several cases on those grounds.

The senate hearing in 2008 challenging McCain’s NBC status applied the common law criteria questioning the citizenship of BOTH McCain’s parents, which Cruz DOES NOT MEET!

The fact that the senate failed to challenge Obama under the same criteria despite multiple ongoing court cases is and would be considered irrelevant to the current matter before the nation. Obama got away with it... CRUZ WON’T!


65 posted on 03/11/2016 6:40:56 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I agree that the courts will not take jurisdiction.

But you are making an error of logic.

Let me provide an analogy: A Sig Sauer SIG522 is a rifle. TRUE
A rifle is a Sig Sauer SIG522. FALSE

A person born of two US Citizen parents is a natural born citizen. TRUE
A natural born citizen is born of two US citizen parents. FALSE

While I have called the second two statements about FALSE, it would be more accurate to say that they are only true in a single instance, in that the object is an example of the general, and not the other way round.

The fact that both McCain’s parents were US citizens is great, and no one should dispute that McCain is a natural born citizen. But that does not mean that Cruz is not merely because only one of his parents was a US citizen at the time of his birth. The fact is that one parent is sufficient, both according the the US code, and the understandings common at the time of the Framing, except for the patriarchal aspects, which were and are not determinative, only social mores of the time. The fact is that citizenship moves by descent, and our laws say so.


72 posted on 03/11/2016 7:07:12 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Safrguns

That is right! Cruz won’t get away with it like obama did!

Cruz supporters, put on your thinking caps, be engaged, don’t give them any gift that enable them to win again!


84 posted on 03/11/2016 3:00:11 PM PST by chrisnj
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