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REQUEST: If anyone really feels the need to hijack this thread for a Trump rally, then lets at least try to focus our chat on Trump's import-tax hikes.
1 posted on 03/09/2016 3:43:28 AM PST by expat_panama
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Good time to kick a hornet’s nest?


2 posted on 03/09/2016 3:45:08 AM PST by expat_panama
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I’d like Walter to outline just exactly how to save those jobs. I’d really like to know.


3 posted on 03/09/2016 3:48:36 AM PST by onona (Honey this isn't Kindergarten. We are in an all out war for the survival of our Country !)
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I saw the same thing first-hand with the tariff on Canadian softwood lumber back in 2001-03. All it did was drive up the price of lumber for U.S. contractors, and drive up the price of new homes here in the U.S.


4 posted on 03/09/2016 3:49:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Bye bye, William Frawley!)
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Good example of ideological nonsense rather than economic science. Easy to put down fair trade when one ignores the other side of so called free trade. We have lost millions of jobs, all those wages, profits, taxes to overseas because we ignorantly insist on free trade when it is only free on our side. Trump is setting up for a negotiation stance to remove tariffs and other impediments to American business. He cannot do that with the stupid type negotiations we have done in the past, he has to use leverage. Everyone understands this, except of course those blind ideologues who don’t have a clue about what they are talking about. Sorry assed article to post that is anti American and just plain ignorant.


5 posted on 03/09/2016 3:51:20 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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I think the issue is also tied to production cost in the US. Higher tariffs are, in and of themselves, depending on their severity, problematic and cause real economic distortion. (example: The Bahamas has a really screwed up economy because of the extremely high import tariffs)

That said a slight rise in tariffs AND cost control measures such as reducing corporate taxation in the US plus perhaps a national right to work law to reduce excessive union demands might reduce imports and stimulate domestic production.

To the best of my knowledge the Bush raise in steel tariffs did not also include a reduction in corporate taxes


7 posted on 03/09/2016 3:57:42 AM PST by Fai Mao
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not seeing how he made his point here....


8 posted on 03/09/2016 3:59:39 AM PST by uncitizen (Revenge!)
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The cost accounting stops too early. The targeted tariff is too narrow. The USA became a colussus with a wide trade policy - not with only applying to lumber made from only Maine based fir 2x6 boards. You’ve seen how China has become a colussus with it now too. Ricardo or Bastiat shoukd come down from heaven and strangle off this mis-application of dogmatic free trade.


20 posted on 03/09/2016 4:17:14 AM PST by major-pelham
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China’s currency devaluation has the same effect of tariffs on foreign goods coming into the country while the goods leaving the country are artificially cheaper for export. We don’t want to put tariffs on Chinese goods, China doesn’t want tariffs, and, we may not need to use tariffs to improve American trading status with China. The credible threat of tariffs may be enough. I think there is a fallacy in assuming that we have one of two options, tariffs or no tariffs. There may be a third option the threat of tariffs.


22 posted on 03/09/2016 4:19:06 AM PST by McCarthysGhost (We need to repeal and replace the Republican Party)
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I’d like to discuss how “horrible” the USA was from 1789 to 1913 when FedGov’s main source of income was tariffs. Imagine no income taxes! You’d keep ALL of your earnings, must have been really “bad”. What a f’ed up country why we went from an agrarian country to industrial power house. Must have been luck I guess.


25 posted on 03/09/2016 4:21:25 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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At least the venerable Mr. Williams didn’t try to re-write history and tell us Smoot-Hawley caused the Great Depression.


30 posted on 03/09/2016 4:25:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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A concrete example was the Bush administration’s 8% to 30% tariffs in 2002 on several types of imported steel. They were levied in an effort to protect jobs in the ailing U.S. steel industry.

Those were aimed at higher quality imports from Europe. Stupid and shows you need to pick your battles carefully. The best way to impose tariffs is to pick things like Chinese drywall with arsenic it.

32 posted on 03/09/2016 4:29:13 AM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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If every facet of life is viewed thru an economic lens after a while some seem to loose their humanity, patriotism and sense of nationalism

When I was in the service I swore to defend the Constitution and my fellow Americans with my life.

I would surely bare the "burden" of 2% a year wage inflation if my fellow Americans had jobs and were working towards prosperity.

Plus Asian made products are mostly cheap crap of poor quality.

37 posted on 03/09/2016 4:41:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I’m a little skeptical on the need for all these “Free Trade” agreements. If I want to buy coffee from Juan Valdez That should be between him and I. The governmental morass of these treaties seems to only complicate these transactions.


44 posted on 03/09/2016 4:49:12 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame enobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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Ping


47 posted on 03/09/2016 4:52:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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"It would have been cheaper to tax ourselves and give each of those 1,700 steelworkers a $100,000 annual check..."

That the author would even consider this thought is very telling.....

53 posted on 03/09/2016 5:02:08 AM PST by cincinnati65
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It is estimated that the steel tariffs

So in other words, we are going to make a bunch of guesses that are unverifiable with any data, that just happen to validate our theory.

70 posted on 03/09/2016 5:42:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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Trade Economics bump for later...


90 posted on 03/09/2016 6:50:08 AM PST by indthkr
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I understand from economics that tariffs increase the price of goods. But they usually do not discuss the effect on economics of a trade deficit.

Frankly I would rather pay more for autos- if the profit and labor was in the US and help the cost of living.


169 posted on 03/09/2016 8:33:47 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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This wouldn’t even have to be considered if our own government didn’t regulate and tax businesses so vigorously that they had to leave the country to remain in business.


184 posted on 03/10/2016 4:51:44 AM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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It's a NYT piece(grain of salt/truth), but kind of related to the thread topic U.S. Imposes Steep Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels
214 posted on 03/10/2016 9:19:57 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Political Correctness is a kool-aid drinking suicide cult)
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