Posted on 02/17/2016 8:45:48 AM PST by bkopto
Yes, let's set a precedence to allow snooping of anybody's phone the government deems necessary.
Let's unlock 1Old Pro's phone to see what he has been doing. He is a Freeper after all. And we know they are a threat.
“The know the phone number, why not subpoena all of the phone records?”
That would be the common sense thing to do. Why isn’t it being done?
Frankly, I don’t think Apple should have to specifically create a software program so the FBI can crack the encryption code.
And the rest of the story is her kids sold the house at auction for less than 1/2 of what Trump offered. Trump later said something to the effect that he was thankful the deal fell through.
Phone records only show calls (not even the content of those calls) and texts.
What the government wants is the data on the phone - pictures, videos, emails, and so on. Particularly if they have any data related to bomb-making or contacts with other nefarious individuals that aren’t phone calls or texts.
But creating a backdoor into this encryption would make the encryption useless, which is bad for all of us.
Does the Fourth Amendment apply?
A warrant has been issued and cannot be executed.
Do you want your children to live in a world where the Fourth Amendment is inoperable?
What would you have it replaced with?
Dry cod..... get a life
Basically you’re right: Apple is being ordered to write, and turn over, software that turns off a feature that erases the data if there are too many unsuccessful attempts to access it with the wrong passcode.
The best solution IMO is for Apple to build and hold to itself the means to access the data.
Then a warrant can be exercised but Apple will have the ability -and means- to challenge the warrant.
This will mean some extra cost to their customers, but it should be worth it.
And the Fourth Amendment will endure.
Do you enjoy spreading rumors. Donald Trump did NOT take an old ladys property. WHY am I doing this again..YOU know better. He offered here a MILLION $$...she turned it down and KEPT her shack!
What part of he wanted to take it but the courts stopped him do you not understand.
So what would be the proper solution?
Apple has built iOS so that it can’t be jailbroken by average users - yet it still gets jailbroken.
Whatever backdoor Apple creates for itself will ultimately be broken, rendering the encryption worthless.
I’m not an Apple fan, but I applaud them for holding firm on this.
If the government wants it, the government has to find a way to get it by beating the encryption. Ordering Apple to put a backdoor in is a non-starter.
I’d rather the Fourth Amendment endured.
It won’t if a warrant is so easily evaded.
Oh, I understand - no animosity your way - just showing this is as old as the Republic. Has that power ever worked the way critics of this claim it should?
There’s no warrant being evaded - the government has the phone, they just can’t decrypt it.
It’s like a fictional vault that can’t be opened, by anyone. Should safe-makers purposely make their safes less so, in case the government wants to get in them?
Fine Apple one billion dollars per day it does not comply. This will get them moving on it!
Can Apple hack this phone right now? No!. But having designed the IOS they are capable of putting together special software that can hack into the Jihadists iPhone for the Feds/FBI
Here's the full statement from Apple about this.
The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.
Smartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.
All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.
Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.
For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.
We were shocked and outraged by the deadly act of terrorism in San Bernardino last December. We mourn the loss of life and want justice for all those whose lives were affected. The FBI asked us for help in the days following the attack, and we have worked hard to support the government’s efforts to solve this horrible crime. We have no sympathy for terrorists.
When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.
We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.
Some would argue that building a backdoor for just one iPhone is a simple, clean-cut solution. But it ignores both the basics of digital security and the significance of what the government is demanding in this case.
In today’s digital world, the “key†to an encrypted system is a piece of information that unlocks the data, and it is only as secure as the protections around it. Once the information is known, or a way to bypass the code is revealed, the encryption can be defeated by anyone with that knowledge.
The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable.
The government is asking Apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers — including tens of millions of American citizens — from sophisticated hackers and cybercriminals. The same engineers who built strong encryption into the iPhone to protect our users would, ironically, be ordered to weaken those protections and make our users less safe.
We can find no precedent for an American company being forced to expose its customers to a greater risk of attack. For years, cryptologists and national security experts have been warning against weakening encryption. Doing so would hurt only the well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on companies like Apple to protect their data. Criminals and bad actors will still encrypt, using tools that are readily available to them.
Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority.
The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force,†trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer.
The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge.
Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government.
We are challenging the FBI’s demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications.
While we believe the FBI’s intentions are good, it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this demand would undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect.
Tim Cook
Overall, I'd have to say that Apple is correct in this, and Trump is not.
“AuntB I know you love Trump “
You know nothing. I love Five people on this earth, and NONE of them are politicians. Trump gets elected and gets on the wrong side of the issues, I’ll be the first to get rid of him. Ted and Marco would be the first to scream ‘impeachment’ before Trump gets sworn in, btw.
Your boy Ted is the one who appeals to emotion and asks you to use your imagination about his policies and beliefs.
Look at what they both had to say about those subjects during their announcement speeches. These were subjects that Cruz cared very little about when he made his announcement speech, while Trump addressed them fully! Same thing with trade, immigration & Terrorism. All Ted did was ask us to use our imagination and talked about CUBA....didn’t mention Canada, though, lol!
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3396178/posts?page=3#3
An Obama apppointee issuing an unconstitutional order without even having a hearing? Not surprising?
Trump supporting her? Also not suprising.
The NSA has the calls. The phone company has records of the calls. They know who he was calling. That cannot be the issue.
They want his address book. They want his browser history and any emails.
They want to be able to break into anyone’s iPhone. This is a hot button issue because it can be presented as the “ticking bomb scenario.” But it’s not. It is not because they are already dead.
In any event, the man is dead. The phone belongs to the county. The FBI doesn’t need a warrant.
Can the government force a disinterested third party to create software that will allow them to potentially violate a fourth party’s 4 amendment rights?
This is a clumsy attempt by the government. There is no real need for an alternative. They already solved the crime, they have alternative methods for finding the information they say they need.
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