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Poll: Trump Stretches Lead to 27 Points; Sanders 7 Points Behind Clinton
Newsmax ^ | 12 Feb 2016

Posted on 02/12/2016 7:06:12 AM PST by xzins

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To: xzins
Which of these do you oppose that would cause you to walk?

3. He supports building a wall and restoring our sovereignty over immigration.

That's a lie. He wants to build a wall and allow touchback amnesty.

4. He supports justices like Scalia and Thomas

That's a lie. He says all kinds of things, but is clueless about judges. He can't even define conservatism. Why would you believe he can discern who supports original intent and who doesn't.

5. He supports 2nd amendment

Today he says he does. A couple years ago he didn't. What changed?

6. He supports RILOM pro-life

Really? Is it because his friends child is such a superstar?

7. He supports ending crony capitalism

So he says today. It sure didn't bother him when he was putting up hotels/condos. He still loves eminent domain use to benefit private business interests. His tax reforms don't end the ability of the legislature to manipulate the tax code to the benefit of lobbied interests.

9. He wants to rebuild our military on the advice of our fighting generals

What a con job. He says he's going to do this without any increase in spending.

10. He supports eminent domain for renewing economic activity.

I'm sure the "get even crowd" don't really care about this. I'm a conservative. I believe in individual liberty and the sovereignty of property rights. I don't like eminent domain being used for public interests let alone private "well connected" interests.

I've seen enough of Trump to recognize him. His systematic character assassination of opponents reveals his lack of character and the willingness of his supporters to go along with it and enjoy it tells me all I need to know. I won't support him no matter what.

41 posted on 02/12/2016 7:48:22 AM PST by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: wmfights
A large number of conservatives that believe in limited govt and are pro-life, pro-family will not cross over to support a crony capitalist phony.

What if Carson is VP?

42 posted on 02/12/2016 7:49:36 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: xzins
Trump lead the national race when Cruz won Iowa.

The national polls are meaningless because Trump has the populist category to himself, while the RINO vote is divided among several candidates, and the conservative vote is divided between Cruz and Carson.

The dynamics of the race will change when the field is reduced to Trump, Cruz and Rubio.

43 posted on 02/12/2016 7:49:59 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: QuinqueViae
You are a traitor to the country if you sit out the election this fall. Thanks for helping to elect Hillary.

Thank you for illustrating so well why conservatives should should avoid supporting Trump. Anyone who disagrees is a traitor!

44 posted on 02/12/2016 7:50:57 AM PST by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: PTBAA

Here are the Goebbels rules of propaganda
your thought on telling lies is not among them

Pay attention to item 5. It seems hillary modified it to declassify everything to gain her advantage.

The Obama administration follows all there rules especially having one source. it is that source that causes all the MSM to repeat the phrase of the day in simultaneous repetition

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GOEBBELS’ PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels’ Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies’ activities which have propaganda consequences

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

4. Propaganda must affect the enemy’s policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence

b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions

c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself

d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity

5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy’s prestige or lends support to the propagandist’s own objective.

11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.

12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses

b. They must be capable of being easily learned

c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations

d. They must be boomerang-proof

15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat

b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves

17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated

b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.

19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.


45 posted on 02/12/2016 7:52:20 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: PTBAA
I do understand however that this character smear is useful for those with an axe to grind. Trump must be a student of Goebbels, repeat a lie enough and it begins to become the truth.

Well said!

46 posted on 02/12/2016 7:52:36 AM PST by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: xzins
Internals:https://morningconsultintelligence.com/media/mc/160206_crosstabs_trend_v2_AP.pdf

Males: Trump: 51% Cruz 12% Rubio 11% Carson 8%

Women: Trump 38% Cruz 21% Carson 11% Rubio 8%
47 posted on 02/12/2016 7:54:56 AM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: dowcaet
To them Cruz is just another GOP politician.

People's anger is so great they are jumping on the bandwagon of a world class phony and turning their backs on one of the few men who went to DC and never sold us out.

48 posted on 02/12/2016 7:56:02 AM PST by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: xzins

Trump has name recognition. I still meet Republicans who don’t know who Cruz is. They won’t get familiar with him until the campaigns start in their states. National polls don’t mean anything yet.


49 posted on 02/12/2016 7:57:22 AM PST by JediJones (RUSH LIMBAUGH on TED CRUZ: "This is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to Ronald Reagan")
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To: xzins

Why would you combine Trump and Carson? Carson and Cruz are much more similar in their appeal.

Trump still doesn’t have a majority of votes and he’s not likely to cull voters from the social cons Carson and Cruz or the establishment Bush, Rubio and Kasich. Where is Trump going to get enough votes to get over 50%?


50 posted on 02/12/2016 7:59:14 AM PST by JediJones (RUSH LIMBAUGH on TED CRUZ: "This is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to Ronald Reagan")
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To: wmfights; xzins
I know a lot of Trump supporters see it differently, but a lot of conservatives will just sit it out in Nov. if Trump is the nominee. I am in that group.

I'm going to respond to that statement with 2 quotes/paraphrases from a couple of rather famous gentlemen that I am sure that we all admire greatly:

1. "The Perfect is the enemy of the Good." General George S. Patton, Jr.

2. "In politics, if you get 70% of what you were looking for, take it and run away." Ronald Reagan

The point that these 2 very wise and experienced men were making is that in the real world, NO ONE gets everything that they want. You have to take the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. Note that the Dems understand this - despite a lot of them backing Hillary in the 2008 primaries, and having one or more problems with Obama, virtually all of them turned out to vote for him. Why? Because they realized that they'd probably get the vast majority of the policies that they wanted Hillary to implement. They saw the Republicans as the enemy, politically speaking, not a fellow Dem. We Republicans/Conservatives, OTOH, seem to have a childish habit of taking our ball and going home if we don't get exactly what we want - to the great long-term benefit of the Dems. THAT VERY THING is what gave us Obama.

I like Cruz, a lot. I donated to his campaign. I'm not so thrilled with some of the things he's done in the last few weeks on the campaign trail, but I understand that it is a fight with only one winner. Right now I back Trump because I think that he's the most conservative person who actually can win in November - but I will happily vote for Cruz, or Rubio (whom I don't trust on immigration as far as I can throw an elephant), Bush (whom I cannot stand) or Carson (whom I believe to be utterly unprepared to be President, though he has good instincts) - because ANY of them will reverse a lot of what Obama has done. ANY of them is far better than either the Lying Hag or the Socialist. I am voting for the best interests of this country as I see them - and though Trump is very, very far from being my ideal candidate, he IS for a strong national defense, lower taxes, less regulations, he's in favor of shutting down the uncontrolled immigration of people from the 3rd world into this country (who not only don't do us any good, but are a tremendous drain on this nation's resources and put many Americans out of work), he's vocally pro-gun (which is a positive switch from his past positions, showing that he can learn) and he will be a FAR better negotiator on trade issues (which are KILLING the middle class). ALL of those issues show him to be conservative, and the rest don't really matter that much. Stay home and allow Hillary or Bernie to be President, and I personally guarantee that you (and I, and everyone else on FR) will get NONE of what we want.

It is one thing to be vocally for 1 particular candidate, and vocally against others, in the primaries. But win or lose, everyone of a particular general political mindset MUST unify...or the other side wins. We've seen what 8 years of Obama's economic, military, foreign policy, naming of judges and domestic policy has done to this country - and because you don't like Trump and some of his policies, you'd allow 4 or 8 more years of the same? I honestly believe that you need to rethink that position.

Families have internal spats - but when someone from outside the family butts in, or threatens a family member, then everyone unites DESPITE their prior differences. That is what Republicans and conservatives need to do. Right now, the outsiders have set fire to our family's house - and they are doing their level best to turn off the water and steal the garden hose that we need to put that fire out. Don't let them win over a few rather petty differences that our family has amongst ourselves.

51 posted on 02/12/2016 7:59:22 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: xzins; All

That’s big for Sanders. If he’s able to get 30% of the black vote (he’s promised them $1 trillion dollars if elected), he might win there.


52 posted on 02/12/2016 7:59:22 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: SubMareener
There is no national primary! Cruz will win the evangelical vote! Donald Trump will quite! Did I miss any? ;-)
Yea, he doesn't have a ground game, no retail campaigning.

All he has so far in South Carolina is:

February 10, 2016: GOP Presidential candidate Donald Trump held a campaign rally at Clemson University at T. Ed Garrison Arena in Pendleton, SC. Mr. Trump spoke to an estimated 10,000 fired up supporters.


53 posted on 02/12/2016 7:59:40 AM PST by lewislynn (Ted Cruz: " I'll never have 'a plane with my name" …(or a Presidential seal))
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To: Raycpa
What if Carson is VP?

Doesn't mean a thing. It's who's at the head of the ticket that matters. If Cruz were the VP I still won't vote for Trump.

54 posted on 02/12/2016 8:01:03 AM PST by wmfights (a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
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To: lewislynn

Those sure are pretty pictures! Thanks! Go Trump!


55 posted on 02/12/2016 8:01:22 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: xzins

Excellent list and excellent point you made about Trump....with all of his positives and negatives combined....still has a YUGE lead among the pack!!


56 posted on 02/12/2016 8:03:22 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: xzins
Cruz's favorable are down. Still higher than Trump, but down 6. I think it was on Gallup. Cannot remember where I read it today.
57 posted on 02/12/2016 8:04:52 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: wmfights

I understand. You have higher morals than Cruz or Carson.


58 posted on 02/12/2016 8:05:22 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: dowcaet

Cruz doesn’t have great name recognition among anyone but political junkies. That’s his weakness but it also means he has great potential for his support to grow once he gets his story about being an anti-establishment Tea Partier out there. To have a celebrity with no consistent record of supporting conservative reform drop in and steal the election from someone like Ted Cruz who has earned the nomination would be a disaster.


59 posted on 02/12/2016 8:06:27 AM PST by JediJones (RUSH LIMBAUGH on TED CRUZ: "This is the closest in our lifetimes we have ever been to Ronald Reagan")
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To: Gadsden1st
I support Trump. If Cruz is the nominee, I vote for Cruz and encourage everyone I can to vote for Cruz.

That really is the stark contrast between those who support Trump and those who support Cruz.

If Cruz is the nominee, 100% of Trump supporters will vote for Cruz ...

If Trump is the nominee, many Cruz supporters will have a temper tantrum and stay home.

I hold in high esteem the many Cruz supporters here on FR who have already said they would vote for Trump if he is the nominee.

Either way ... either candidate ... will beat Clinton in the general; Yeb is the only Republican who would loose to her.

60 posted on 02/12/2016 8:08:42 AM PST by dartuser
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