FR THREAD Dec 5, 2015
To: Cincinatus' Wife A few points in response.
Correlation does not equal causation. If the start of a rise in mean global temperature occurs simultaneously with increased emissions of CO2 from industrialization, it does not mean that the latter caused the former.
The burden of proof is on the supporters of AGW to demonstrate the validity of their model, not on the skeptics to prove them wrong.
In the current debate on climate, the AGW hypothesis is unfalsifiable -- if the mean global temperature rises, it's AGW; if it cools, it's AGW. Any observation can be accommodated to AGW. A model that can be expanded to explain everything, explains nothing.
CO2 levels in the geological past have exceeded several thousand parts per million, long before humans even existed. So clearly, a natural mechanism for an increase in CO2 content must exist.
The most dire predictions of AGW come not from any observation, but from extrapolation of computer models. Chaotic behavior makes reliance on such models questionable.
In contrast to the claims of this article, there are multiple alternatives to AGW for climate change, including variations in solar radiation, the role of cosmic rays in nucleating cloud formation and global cloud cover, wobbles in the Earth's obliquity over geological time, volcanic pulses that inject massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and other geological effects, such as meteorite impact. None of these factors are accounted for in climate modeling because we cannot estimate the magnitude of their influence.
Finally, there is the social aspect of all this. Science in this country is largely funded by the federal government, with grants and contracts being distributed on the basis of peer review. Go against your peers at your peril; it is simply much easier and politically savvy to find errors and faults with the grant proposals of the naysayers and skeptics than it is with those of members of the "consensus." Money makes the world go around.
In my lifetime, I have never seen such a poorly justified, scientifically barren, morally corrupt episode as the current campaign of climate change panic, screeching and idiocy. It's a real psychological case study. Future generations will laugh at our credulity.
7 posted on 12/6/2015, 3:59:33 AM by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
".....the ruling could throw a wrench in the delicate diplomacy surrounding the global climate agreement reached in Paris in December. One defining feature of the Paris summit that made it the most successful round of climate talks in two decades was the leadership of Secretary of State John Kerry and other US officials. It was the Clean Power Plan that gave other countries confidence that the US was finally willing to do something about its own massive carbon footprint. In other words, the plan was supposed to be Obama's proof that the US would follow through on its Paris promises. Now, the trust of other big polluter - China, India, the European Union - could be shaken. That could have a chilling effect on climate action around the globe.
"I think the stay raises doubts in other countries' minds," said Jake Schmidt, international program director at the Natural Resources Defense Council. "I'm already getting a lot of questions and confusion [from policy analysts abroad]. There will be a lot of outreach to explain what this really means."
Their concerns may well be justified - even if the Supreme Court ultimately does rule in favor of the administration. That's because, regardless of the case's final outcome, yesterday's stay will make the Clean Power Plan more vulnerable if a Republican wins the presidential election in November. All of the leading GOP candidates have vowed to roll back Obama's climate agenda. (Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have both promised to carry it forward.)....."
Nobel Laureate Scientist Ivan Giaever issued statement disputing Obama’s climate claims:
http://www.craighuey.com/nobel_prize_winner_to_obama_you_are_wrong_on_climate_change
But why worry, Trump will have the definitive intellectual answer on this, as on all questions.
Let’s just wait to see where the brilliant real estate developer, on whom we so desperately rely, lands on this.
Of course, once he lands, he will shift position any number of times, but we do not care. We simply wait upon his wisdom.
Oh, there you go with logic and reason again! Don’t you know those are just constructs of the White supremist, Judeo Christian heterosexualist Western culture designed to keep everyone else down?/ sarc
Why is man-made global warming real? Because modern science tells us so! Modern science is always right isn’t it? When the first railroads were built before the Civil War, the modern science of the day warned of the dangers of rail travel, saying the human body cannot withstand sustained speeds over 30MPH. I’m sure Jeff Gordon and Chuck Yeager, not to mention anyone who travels by plane would have a good laugh over that one. We were at the Baseball Hall of Fame. They have an excellent exhibit in the history of the Negro Leagues. One artifact I remember was an excerpt from a medical journal published at the end of WWII that argued agianst integrating the major leagues on the grounds that Blacks were inferior to Whites. Nevermind that Jesse Owens, Joe Louis and others already blew that assertion to smithereens. This is what “modern settled science” told us a relatively short 70 yrs ago. Obviously Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Roy Campenella, Ernie Banks, Willie McCovey, Lou Brock, Reggie Jackson, etc never received that memo. Which leads to another problem with “modern settled science” how factors unrelated to the subject matter at hand unduly influences the findings. Whether it was the ugly spectacle of racism, or a need to advance an agenda by any means necessary for political and/or financial gain. So when scientists, who derive a significant portion of their livelihood from “government, with grants and contracts being distributed on the basis of peer review” vehemently assert that global “warming”/”cooling”/”hey, we really don’t know WTF is going on, let’s call it man-made climate change and cover our butts” is occuring, it’s as meaningful as Warren Buffet issuing a strong buy recommendation on Berkshire Hathaway.
The coordinated messaging, the cooking of the books, the models of doom and gloom that NEVER CAME IN THE PROPHECIED 20 years they warned about.
There is no Science of Climate. Only gov’t paid scientists trying to create same.
This is all to make agenda 21 happen.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/19/toole-stack-and-pack-to-save-the-planet/?page=all
Fraud - as the science community and politicians fix the numbers to get their desired result.
bflr
Stunning weather revelations:
When it’s sunny in the summer it’s warm
When it’s sunny in the winter it’s cold
Therefore, it can be assumed the sun can cause both warmth & cold.
Of course the laws of entropy don’t have anything to do with global warming either.
So why was Cruz unable to get ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN SENATOR to his own climate change hearings? That’s how influential and powerful he is. He couldn’t get Milke Lee, Tim Scott, Jodi Ernst, Jeff Sessions on one other Republican to attend.
Course, they are all RINOS right?
a priori, who the hell cares if the earth is warming? I’ll be happy to buy oranges from ohio. it’s clear you me that there was once a glacier covering those future orange groves and now it’s gone so, yes, the earth is warming and soon, it’ll be cooling again. Life is change, get used to it.
Finally...we agree on something. Go to Wikipedia and look up who the big CO2 ‘polluters’ are. China’s kicking our butts and has no intention to take orders from us.
Therefore we cannot SAVE THE WORLD, even if we wanted to.
Graham Readfearn seems to have a Uranus fixation.
Maybe ‘fetish’ would be a more apt description of his pathology.
Yes, the AGW agenda is very barfable and contraindicated by the geological record.
The ice is coming. We'll see it in 1200-1800 years, when temperatures suddenly fall off the table. Then we'll be wondering if we generated enough CO2 to keep us all from freezing to death.
Cold equals dry equals crop failure. If that happens, it won't matter if the Communists have total control of what's left of the economy, we're all going to starve, who don't own deep-ocean fishing boats.
Let me add one. Geophysicists and astrophysicists and astronomers have identified, they think (let's say they hypothecate it), the spiral arm of the galaxy that caused the "snowball earth" episode 600,000,000 years ago, when our planet spent hundreds of millennia transiting a particularly densely-dusty and gas-filled spiral arm that filtered solar radiation sufficiently to refrigerate the planet and turn the oceans into solid ice.
Insolation rates are critical to ambient atmospheric temperatures. The reason the Green Communists don't like to talk about insolation is that it cannot be blamed on (correctable, dirigisme-susceptible) human activity. Similarly, the shrinking ice caps on Mars cannot be blamed on people's economic activity, so the AGW crowd never talk about them, but populate their chat with drowning polar bears (oops -- polar bear populations are up).