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The GOPe Strategy from Here (Vanity)
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Posted on 02/09/2016 11:45:17 PM PST by TigerClaws

Trump and Cruz are poised to do well in the south. Trump can close it out on the east coast and a solid performance on the west coast.

The Uniparty does what from here?

They were backing RoboRubio big, but he had the debate malfunction. They tried to minimize the damage, but to no avail. Christie destroyed Rubio for this election round. He's done.

That leaves Kasich and Bush. Bush is spending $3,000 a vote and at 4% in Florida. Kasich is out of money and doesn't appeal to anyone in the south.

Cruz they hate, but he needs their money and his wife works for Goldman Sachs.

Which of these do they try:

1. Push Cruz knowing he'll likely lose the general election and might be co-opted?

2. Convince Bush, Rubio, and Kasich to get behind ONE of the three. Christie is done and he will be out. If ONE of them emerges as the only establishment guy, that's 40% of the vote and they might be able to stop Trump/Cruz.

3. Continue forward in denial as Trump and Cruz carve up the south in the new few weeks.

I'm expecting them to encourage Trump and Cruz to fight each other to bash each other down.

Then they tell one of the three left (Bush Kasich Rubio) that he will be the one to get money and tell the other two to step aside. They need Florida and Ohio so a VP slot might be offered as part of that deal.

Thoughts?


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To: TigerClaws

They don’t need to encourage, Trump and Cruz, that is going to happen naturally... neither one of them have a prayer winning a 3 man race while the other is viable, so until an establishment candidate rises from the crowd, Trump and Cruz will be going after each other...

Frankly if the first ads are any indication, Trump is going to beat Cruz down... other than Jeb!s boots were made for walking net video, I have to back to Carly’s Senate run commercial with the sheep to come up with an ad that I think is just completely off the mark than Cruz’s latest ad.

If Trump V Cruz isn’t settled before the establishment gets a single candidate, the establishment guy very much can win by plurality, this possibility is not dead yet.

The idea of the establishment backing Cruz? I don’t know, I think they would rather just go down in defeat than get in bed with him.... I honestly think they’d be more open to getting into bed with Trump than Cruz if they were able to.

Time will tell how this plays out, I do think if the establishment doesn’t have a candidate to rally around exclusively soon, end of Super Tuesday at the latest... Trump is the next President of the United States.


41 posted on 02/10/2016 8:48:48 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: nathanbedford
Rather than listen to you I think I'll just go right to the source. Cruz on TPP in his op-ed urging Congress to pass the TPP enabling TPA..

The United States is making headway on two historic trade agreements, one (TPP) with 11 countries on the Pacific Rim and another with America's friends in Europe. These two agreements alone would mean greater access to a billion customers for American manufacturers, farmers and ranchers.

Cruz has a truth problem.

Cruz flip flopped on TPA when he got a hurricane of blow back from conservative voters over his vote for TPA. He invented his Mitch tricked me into voting for TPA excuse. However the op-ed he wrote makes it crystal clear Cruz supported TPA and TPP. Claims to the contrary are not believable.

42 posted on 02/10/2016 8:52:51 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: jpsb
However the op-ed he wrote makes it crystal clear Cruz supported TPA and TPP. Claims to the contrary are not believable.

Such claims were certainly not made here by me, to the contrary I stipulated that he went public with his support because very good conservatives principles prompted him to do so.

He invented his Mitch tricked me into voting for TPA excuse

Mitch McConnell to my knowledge never denied his lie. The liars are Mitch McConnell in this affair and Donald Trump virtually every time he speaks.


43 posted on 02/10/2016 9:01:21 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: HamiltonJay

Cruz is an GOPe guy pretending he’s not.


44 posted on 02/10/2016 9:02:35 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: jpsb

That is the real Cruz. Liar, and establishment boi.


45 posted on 02/10/2016 9:03:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: lafroste
You can hardly have picked a worse example than George Washington who walked away from power, perhaps absolute power, twice. Once at the conclusion of the war and once after his second term as president.

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said, "we are all worms but I do believe that I am I glowworm" however he is also a very bad example because he strove for power to advance ideas. Unlike Trump, no one was more gracious to his political enemies than Winston Churchill. Yes, Churchill had a profound belief in his own destiny but he never wavered from the view that he was operating within the rule of law according to the will of the people.

Patton was an egoist which might have been wonderful in a general assigned the task of fighting by maneuver but terribly dangerous in a politician. I cite Napoleon to you.

My view of Trump is that he is certainly a narcissist, that he seeks power to advance his ego and not for the benefit of humanity, although he certainly confuses the two. There is a difference between someone who pursues power for its own sake or to feed his ego, such as Napoleon, and those who seek political power on behalf of decent ideals. The test, is the individual committed to some values outside of himself? The biography of Donald Trump suggests an obvious conclusion.


46 posted on 02/10/2016 9:25:12 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Again I must respectfully disagree with the narcissist label (which is where this argument seems to be headed). The question is not does Trump have an ego, of course he does, but rather are his goals ultimately self serving. I believe not based on admittedly anecdotal evidence. Trump has performed some services, such as flying a sick child from LA to NYC for medical help, paying off the mortgage of a good Samaritan that stopped to help in one night, or rescuing a NYC ice skating rink are not the actions of a narcissist.

A narcissist would not care about a sick child, nor give reward to someone who helped him (he should have helped me because after all I'm me), or taken on a civic project that mattered only to the great unwashed and not his bottom line.

So if he doesn't lust for more money, and he is not narcissistic, then what is his motivation?

"By his fruits ye shall judge him". I have always equated "fruits" with "children". Look at his kids. Even Reagan's son stood against his old man. I see no signs of that with Trump.

It may just be possible that his motivation is truly altruistic. But tough times require tough actions, even if the motivating factor is altruism. Look at Patton to see what I see in Trump. He was a hard ass bastard, but the world ended up better for his role in it.

47 posted on 02/10/2016 10:36:55 AM PST by lafroste
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To: lafroste
Well, I guess we are arguing about the unknowable which will remain that way unless and until fate puts Donald Trump in the White House.

You might well be right, he might be the kind of president who is the most patriotic and devoted of men. To return to your example of Winston Churchill, he was roundly detested because of his perceived ambitious nature before he came to power in 1940. His critics had him wrong and maybe I have Trump wrong too.


48 posted on 02/10/2016 11:10:12 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

We, sir, shall see.


49 posted on 02/10/2016 1:39:29 PM PST by lafroste
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To: nathanbedford

We shall both see, won’t we. Thanks for the reasoned response. (Go Trump :))


50 posted on 02/10/2016 1:48:41 PM PST by lafroste
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To: jpsb

If you have a link or source for the Cruz quote, I’d love it.

The United States is making headway on two historic trade agreements, one (TPP) with 11 countries on the Pacific Rim and another with America’s friends in Europe. These two agreements alone would mean greater access to a billion customers for American manufacturers, farmers and ranchers.


51 posted on 02/10/2016 3:27:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
here you go

http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409

Or just google "putting Congress in charge on trade"

52 posted on 02/11/2016 5:47:42 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: jpsb

Thank you very much. It is important to expose Cruz.


53 posted on 02/11/2016 9:53:35 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

You are welcome and I agree.


54 posted on 02/11/2016 10:04:54 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: jpsb

It’s behind a paywall on the WSJ but it’s also on Ryan’s page in all its glory for free.

Cruzboi is clearly in the pocket of the globalists. While pretending not to be.

http://paulryan.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398270


55 posted on 02/11/2016 2:19:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue Ht the testing point. CSLewis)
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