The voter rebellion is on! Who should lead: Cruz or Trump? Both?

February 3, 2016 | Jim Robinson

[jokemoke]

Dirty tricks won’t win a national election if you are a Republican. Cruz is toast!

[Theophilus]

1. I never attacked Trump's soul.
2. My issue with Trump is not that "God has renounced him", it's that Trump does not fear God. Most people don't fear God. Trump has stated that he has never felt the need to ask God for forgiveness. If he has no need for forgiveness then he he does not respect God's justice or commandment nor does he fear Him. Trump is also obviously ignorant of God's Word.
3. I don't understand your point about the pagan tyrants, but I agree that God uses them and we should be thankful that He does. Notwithstanding, I would never vote for any of them.
4. It's good advice for me to watch out for my own salvation. However, you are wrong to say that am telling God how to do His business. God gives us the blessed duty to vote and otherwise engage in the political process. It is wise and good to use Biblical wisdom, guidance and criteria to choose our leaders. I recommend that every Christian do so. It is true that ultimately God decides everything both who we support and who wins.

Two Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 10:27 
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

[Gator113]

“The reason I am supporting Trump is because I honestly do not believe Cruz can win the General Election, and this election is way too important for this utterly stupid infighting taking place.”

Exactly my bottom line!

[Robert DeLong]

It should be the bottom line for all of us, as far as I am concerned. Sad commentary that, that is not the case apparently.

[Albion Wilde]

We will have to agree to disagree here. You made a flat statement that Trump does not fear God. And you know this how? Are you basing your presumption on a short sound byte when he was asked an intrusively personal question at an early speech? Have you ever lived in the Northeast, where it is a cultural trait not to give open witness in words (I don’t approve of it; but I see it in all the old-line churches, like the one in which he was raised). There is no “certification of surrendered salvation” requirement for the presidency. Many of the Founders did not believe in Christ.

You say you don’t get the point about the pagan kings — did you not read or consider the links provided. Have you not because you don’t want your assumptions challenged?

You called those kings tyrants, when my post did not said that; my post pointed out that they were benefactors of the Chosen People, to whom Christians are “grafted on.”

This is my point in showing those stories from the Bible: that religious purity is not a requirement for good or beneficial governmance towards Christians (who are the New Jerusalem).

[Lumper20]

I do not know if you know this, but; Presbyterians at least back when I grew up and the NY church that I attended in Plattsburgh, NY had one or more Sunday’s a month where communion was held right after the Apostle’s Creed. We could either have real wine or the non alcoholic version. Trump maybe thinks that is his forgiveness as I used to?

[DoughtyOne]

That is such a dishonest list it’s nothing more than a smear.

The Cruz cult here is certain ill informed.

[wakibeach]

It is not necessary to send me a ping on something that
I read 2 days ago, before you sent the ping.

So do not ping me again.

[GBA]

Thanks for the feedback! Good to know I’m not as alone as I feel sometimes.

[blondiegoodbadugly]

I read it today at work but could not reply.

I agree it was an excellent post by Jim about the elections.

However, I must say I have not read a post by Jim that I did not fully agree with him.(smile) seriously!

God Bless him and his family.

I thank him from the bottom of my heart for this forum. An FR friend told me about this forum many years ago, I have loved it from day one. My favorite place to go to read and learn.

Thank you Jim

[Albion Wilde]

With pleasure.

[Theophilus]

Trump maybe thinks that is his forgiveness as I used to?

That's understandable, as long as nobody or else everybody got their feelings hurt because that's the pluralistic world we live in.

[jaydee770]

"...That is such a dishonest list it's nothing more than a smear..."

Well now, they have all been true at one point or another. I believe we can all agree that Trumps "first instinct" for most any political problem is to go with his innate "NYC-Values" -- at least until he gets some focus group feedback to let him know which way to "evolve" for the audience he happens to be in front of. At least his clarion call for universal healthcare is recent -- have you already forgotten Trumps petulant outburst (a "trumpertantrum") where he *screamed*, "THE GOVT'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT!" when asked who would pay for his universal health plan on 60-Minutes just recently on 9/27/2015?

Besides, I thought you were just posting non-pertinent bull-mess at random. Are you saying that's not what you were doing? I was just following your lead.

Anyhoo, if there's one thing I've learned about Trump cultists on Free Republic, it's that there is nothing that *infuriates* them more than a stubborn, obvious, "Trump-Truth" that they can't believably refute - say, like the one that the following meme ably illustrates:

[IChing]

Excellent analysis of the situation.

[DoughtyOne]

You mean like stealing votes from other candidates?

Or did you mean voting to lower the number of senators needed to approve of the Obama/Iran nuclear deal by half?

Or did you man voting for TPA?

Or did you mean when Cruz was advising Bush to say he didn’t approve of Caifornia’s Proposition 187?

Or did you mean when Cruz helped Bush develop “for the children” language to oppose clamping down on illegal immigration?

Or did you mean when Cruz took out very large unsecured loans on Wall Street?

Or did you mean when Ted’s Wife worked for the CFR, that is dead set on bringing the NAU into being.

Or did you mean when Ted said he only proposed the increase of H1-B visas to 500% of what it had been as a poison pill for the Gang of Eight Bill, but was still pushing it two years later.

I could say the same thing to you folks.

Get that post out of your own eye and get back to me.

[Din Maker]

I've liked Cruz since he ran for the Senate here in Texas in 2012, but, I'm a Trump supporter for the Presidency. I've been terribly disappointed in Cruz's behavior here of late. The "illegal mail-outs" he sent before the Iowa Caucuses and he, and his staff, spreading the lie about Dr. Carson the day of the vote. Not to mention the videos that have been released lately where he was sure talking like a "Pro-Amnesty" whore a few years ago. Put me in the "Trump Column" on this poll please.

[jaydee770]

"...You mean like stealing votes from other candidates?..."

Did widdle donny not like getting his widdle rear end paddled in Iowa? Politics ain't bean bag. First, Trump peed-backwards and ran crying from the big bully Megyn Kelly, then he's whining because he got out-Trumped in Iowa. I don't care either way. Go Cruz! Do it again!

"...Or did you mean voting to lower the number of senators needed to approve of the Obama/Iran nuclear deal by half?..."

He sure did! So what?

"...Or did you man voting for TPA?..."

He sure did! So what?

"...Or did you mean when Cruz was advising Bush to say he didn't approve of Caifornia's Proposition 187?..."

He sure did! So what?

"...Or did you mean when Cruz helped Bush develop "for the children" language to oppose clamping down on illegal immigration?..."

He sure did! So what?

"...Or did you mean when Cruz took out very large unsecured loans on Wall Street?..."

They were secured against personal assets, but otherwise... So what?

"...Or did you mean when Ted's Wife worked for the CFR, that is dead set on bringing the NAU into being..."

Yep! So what?

"...Or did you mean when Ted said he only proposed the increase of H1-B visas to 500% of what it had been as a poison pill for the Gang of Eight Bill, but was still pushing it two years later..."

Well, that and other stated reasons besides that one... So what?

"...I could say the same thing to you folks..."

And you either haven't bothered to investigate deeper than a headline and are just parroting talking points -OR- you are being intellectually dishonest. I'll claim it's the latter since you are *desperately* trying to cover for Trump.

"...Get that post out of your own eye and get back to me..."

My vision is fine. Trump cultists on the other hand...

[DoughtyOne]

I’m sure you think you really scored with that.

[jaydee770]

“...I’m sure you think you really scored with that...”

Scored? Are you *seriously* keeping score? Geeze, you Trump cultists take the cake! Devoting that level of emotional investment in trump must be what suffering from some sort of psychosis feels like...

You should take a break from the internet. Relax a bit. Or focus elsewhere. Say? Don’t you have more important things to do like (ahem) “correct” a FR caucus poll or whatever it is you do behind the scenes with it?

[DoughtyOne]

Another whiff...

0 for 2 there sparky.