Posted on 02/01/2016 3:07:17 PM PST by markomalley
A search shows that nobody's opened up a live thread for tonight's caucuses. So here goes.
Predictions? For both the GOP and Dem nominations?
Eyewitness Accounts? See any funny business going on?
And they don’t report the total turnout for the dems?
Everyone is calling the third place loser a top contender for the nomination.
Don’t care. Vote for Trump. Vote for Bernie. Don’t vote. But stop asking for explanations when you write that “you can’t be convinced”.
Thanks for admitting that you can't explain Ted's convoluted attempt to rewrite the history of his flip/flops on immigration and his maneuvers during the Gang-of-Eight debate.
Nowhere have I asked to be convinced, but only for an explanation.
You left out an earlier and fairly peculiar stage of Ted's grand strategy.
"I think that is profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who have followed the rules, who have waited in line," he said. "I think the reason that President Obama is insisting on a path to citizenship is that it is designed to be a poison pill to scuttle the whole bill, so he can have a political issue in 2014 and 2016. I think that's really unfortunate."
So, a key step in Cruz's supposed strategy was to state that Obama's insistence on a path to citizenship was already a poison pill in the bill.
Ted Cruz Files Immigration Amendment To Ban Path To Citizenship
So, if Ted was being honest there, he believed the bill already contained Obama's poison pill, and Ted was attempting to remove that Obama poison pill so that the bill would have a better chance of passing.
Most Ted defenders don't start at that point. Most claim that Ted introduced his denial of citizenship (but legal status) amendment as a poison pill simply to make the bill unacceptable to the radical supporters of amnesty and reform.
So, which was it? I believe Ted introduced all those amendments to make it more likely to pass, as he explained at the time. And only after he announced for the presidency and Trump elevated the immigration did he change that stance and begin claiming he opposed any form of comprehensive reform in 2013, and any form of legal status.
And to suggest that his maneuvers brought attention to the issue is nonsense. For those half awake and half interested, it has been known since 1986 how the open borders folks promise enforcement with amnesty, but all we get is the amnesty. And the House has killed these bills before, and long before Ted was even in the Senate. Those in the House needed no help from Ted to decide what to do with the 2013 amnesty push. And it was the defeat of Cantor in the summer of 2014 that finally killed the bill in the House.
There are other articles showing how Ted supported comprehensive immigration reform efforts when he worked for W, and when he moved back to Texas and worked with some Latino groups. And he had little to say about it in his announcement speech other than he wanted to make legal immigration "something to celebrate", consistent with past statements that he wanted to "streamline" legal immigration and increase the numbers.
I trust neither Ted nor Rubio on immigration. Both are far too emotional about their own families' immigration stories and neither is likely to reduce legal immigration or deport any of the illegals other than criminals. I also do not trust Ted on trade and TPP, another flip/flop that requires tortured and elaborate explanation. Ted seems more and more like a triple-talking lawyer who thinks he can BS his way in and out of anything.
I didn't see you response last night and only read it today.
And there is a question I've asked that no one has answered. When was the first time Ted characterized his amendments as poison pills, that can be supported with linked articles?
Ted Cruz looked so humbled by his win. Then he ruined it with his Gd stuff. I do not believe Gd loves one candidate over another. I believe voters (or dirty tricks sometimes) choose the candidates.
We’re not very good prognosticators , huh ?
perhaps you should do a little more research.
just a suggestion
I’m glad Cruz won. Hope for Trump or Cruz.
Rubio would be my last choice.
I’d vote for Carson before ruby. Actually, I like Carson, just not for president.
Rubio is a bad senator, and they’re pushing rubio. Pushing the lesser of the 3 so we can have another demorat as president.
**Honestly who wins doesn’t matter **
Do you really mean that? Look at the devastation caused by Obama.
It’s in God’s hands and he tells us how it will end. Do you think who we elect president will stop the world from turning on Israel and the two witnesses showing up and Christ stepping in to save her? Do you think it will stop the persecution of the saints? The best we can hope for is that we somehow stay on the sidelines.
That 75 percent had best get off their collective @$$ this time around!
And did you notice Cruz’s total includes 666?
Actually it ended up Hillary 22 and Bernie; 21.
Wow, good prediction.
First mention, not dirty trick
Hey Theo.
CNN calls NH for Trump by large margin.
I got my bongo drums and cigar out?
Trump has been expected to win NH, no?
Cool. Two liberals topped the NH primaries: Sanders and Trump.
Onward to SC!
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