Posted on 02/01/2016 7:36:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
CRUZ HITS TRUMP ON HEALTH CARE - AND HE'S KIND OF RIGHT - Locked in a close battle in Iowa, Ted Cruz is turning to health care in an attempt to separate himself from rival Donald Trump. A brutal ad airing in Iowa links "HillaryCare" and "ObamaCare" with "TrumpCare" - and uses Trump's own words against him.
"Everybody's got to be covered, this is an un-Republican thing for me to say," the ad quotes Trump saying on 60 Minutes last fall. "[And] the government's gonna pay for it."
Cruz pushed this message further on several Sunday shows. "A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for ObamaCare," Cruz claimed on Meet The Press. "Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have the identical position on health care. Which is they want to put the government in charge of you and your doctor. Now my views are polar opposites."
- TrumpCare remains vaguely defined. Trump called Cruz a "total liar" and declared, "I am so against Obamacare." But the thing is, Trump has repeatedly reiterated his commitment to some form of universal coverage - just as Cruz suggests. However, we still don't know any specifics of a Trump health plan, or how he'd pay for it.
Pressed again on Sunday, he still refused to offer details. "We'll work something out," Trump said on ABC's This Week. "Nobody knows health care better than Donald Trump."
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To the extent Cruz was dealing with "govt law" (whatever that is), Cruz was but arguing against the govt, and negotiating with the government. Your attempt to suggest that that's not the "private sector" is pathetic.
>>Trump has business dealings in several states. His business has to deal with health care costs separately in each state with multiple insurance companies to deal with.<<
Yes, and on that basis it’s perfectly understandable that a crony capitalist like Trump would like do dump all that responsibility on the government, and the taxpayers. He’d save millions. Another great deal....for Trump. At least the man is consistent.
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Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.
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Unique to the field of the GOP at the moment.
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That is your loony Tunes explanation. Who do you support? Cruz, who has worked for and via the govt all his life?
Facts don’t matter? Whatever Trump said in the past doesn’t matter? At all?
Do you believe CRuz still supports a path to amnesty, and wants to bring the millions of illegals ‘out of the shadows”, as he has said in the past? He says he no longer supports that. Do you believe his campaign promises?
I believe Trump and his repeated position on repealing 0Care and ensuring that free market principles are in place to shop for the best health insurance policies, across state lines and to cut the freegin’ red tape within the insurance/hospital/government bureaucracies.
That doesn’t sound anything like 0Care to me....so, I call BS on CRuz’s false advertising :)
Enjoy your day!
So does that mean that all the groundskeepers at his golf courses and maids at his hotel casinos have health care? Also, does he even negotiate the plans for those people, or do they all work for one of his companies, which he just adds his name?
Once more Ted reinforces the perception he is a liar.
Folks, please take these things into account.
Trump has promised to work with Congress to repeal Obamacare.
No longer would the IRS be dinging people for not having insurance.
We have three types of main health care provision.
Private sector
Medicare
Medicaid
Private sector is the only part that changed under Obamacare.
Medicare remained the same.
Medicaid remained the same.
Medicaid is means tested. If you do not have insurance, you can apply for Medicaid. If you have money or assets, you cannot use it. If you do not have money or assets, you can.
The people who were not insured before Obamacare, still had this. That’s why it was a bogus issue. The uninsured still had access.
Every person in the U. S. had access to health care, before Obamacare. They do now, and when Obamacare is repealed, they will still have access.
Trump did not know this and you can fault him for that, but there was no need for a statement like the one he made. Some of you cling to it like a baby blanket to make Yourselves comfortable trashing him, but he can’t give a new group access to healthcare, because everyone has it now. They have had it since back into the 1970s.
So when someone says Trump is going to set up Trumpcare, they are either lying to you, or extremely ignorant on the subject of health care.
Ted was flat out lying to you. He knows the truth of it even if you don’t.
On the subject of the private insurance sector, we have seen businesses stop providing health care. We have seen insurance companies withdraw from some markets. This in reaction to Obamacare.
Trump proposes to expand providers, not reduce them. He proposes a plan that will move us further from single payer than we have been EVER.
No plan can be imagined that would move us farther from single payer. This is why it is so unfair to Trump and ultimately us, for someone to advance the big lie that Trump wants single payer. He does not.
Currently states regulate insurance companies and tell them where they can operate. This limited the insurance companies from competing freely nationwide.
A state might have between, five to twenty insurance companies operating within it’s borders. Trump has proposed states drop their restrictions so hundreds of insurance companies could compete in all markets.
For those who fail to realize it, this is an exponential expansion of providers in ALL markets.
This demonization of Trump on health care is unfounded, dishonest, displays fundamental ignorance, or a downright evil character.
What he proposes is much better than we have had before.
Hundreds of insurance companies will be competing for your business where 5 to 20 were before.
This means prices will much more competitive, and the numbers of diverse policies will increase as these companies compete for specific needs groups.
This is a an example of a healthy free enterprise Capitalist system at work.
It is so disappointing to see FReepers unable to grasp this.
Cruz should be ashamed of himself.
Trump should be complimented for his vision on this.
“Nobody knows healthcare better than Donald Trump,” says the guy who brags of never needing any and has his personal physician rave about his yuge healthiness.
Well, the GOP DID finance the sh!t out of everything for the Resident; so I’m not sure why pointing fingers at only one side.
IMO, the problem is the ‘law’ isn’t in place fully. Unfort. some people need the 2x4 across the head to add 2+2. Yet, the GOP ‘softens’ the blow to a whiffle-ball bat love-tap again and again.
Enforce it. HARD. But, I don’t expect the GOP to come out saying, “This is what the DEMs wanted. Now it’s LAW. Remember that come election time.”
So slapping the press around demonstrates strong leadership?
Is this Free Republic???
Trump has always wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare. There is no difference here. The Trumpcare meme is a flaming lie.
This is Cruz's answer to the mailer: change the subject and say whatever lie is necessary to change the subject. Apparently, Rush is aiding in this for Cruz. Why is healthcare, discussed endlessly weeks ago, suddenly back in the topic basket. The answer is easy: Cruz was going down in flames.
OK, lets look at the field:
You have two young, clean, articulate first-term Senators who give good speeches, Rubio and Cruz, talking, and Obama has gotten everything he wanted from the Congress. One is a natural-born Canadian, and the other is an anchor baby. Great! Why do we need this grief?
You have a former Governor of Florida who sent the Florida Retirement Fund to Lehman Brothers, then went to work for them until Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail.
You have the current Governor of Ohio who also spent time at Lehman Brothers! And his father was a mailman! He has a decent record as Governor, but he has trouble putting a persuasive national campaign.
You have the current Governor of New Jersey, who didn’t know his aides were messing with the George Washington bridge to get even with a Mayor who had dissed them. Again, pretty good record, but no persuasive national campaign.
I really like Rand Paul. He tried to broaden the base by going to places Republicans don’t go to, and talking to people Republicans don’t talk to. But, Rand made a deal with Mitch McConnell so Rand could run for Senate and President at the same time. Now Rand could loose both.
I really like Ben Carson. He is the most honest of them all. Yes, nutrition can help cure cancer, and there are overcomers in every cult. His supporting PAC is questionable, but he has mounted a persuasive campaign, at least for a while.
Mike Huckabee is another former Governor turn talk show host. Good administrator, knows where the Clinton’s buried the bodies. National campaign just never took off.
Rich Santorum is a failed Senate and Presidential Candidate, but a great conscience for the country on abortion and other abominations. National campaign just never took off.
Carly Fiorina ruined Lucent, then went on for a repeat on Hewlett-Packard. I don’t know if she knew about the attempted bribery in Russia, but if not, she should have and should have stopped it. Again, one debate blip, then nothing.
So you have Donald Trump who has been, literally, building things around the world. In fact he has built such a great organization that he can run, full-time, for President and things still continue to get done. He is building his transition team headquarters at 1100 Pennsylvania Ave! It will be open in time, ahead of schedule and under budget. He has gotten more for his, and his small contributors, than any other candidate.
Donald Trump has demonstrated over and over again what he means by The Art of the Deal. The latest flap over the FOX News debate was just the latest example. Look at what he did in a very short time. And he did this as a leader of his very small organization. Donald Trump would be the first President in a long time who was actually running the show without “handlers”. No one handles Donald Trump.
So, as I see it, the only way we can hope to change the direction of the country is to put a master builder and negotiator in charge. I would like to see him pick a Vice President that could carry on after him. Rand Paul seems to be a good choice for that, and apparently Sarah Palin thinks so too.
I hear ya.
That’s pretty obvious isn’t it. Sad.
Thanks MKJessup
Your post #214 is one of the most concise and accurate descriptions of our current political scene and the candidates running as I’ve seen anywhere and you are to be commended for that. I intend to save your wise analysis for future use and I thank you for it.
Okay, so no individual mandate. Did he actually say that? Because if you're not going to have an individual mandate, and there's not going to be a single payer system, how can you possibly guarantee that everyone will be covered?
Medicaid is means tested. If you do not have insurance, you can apply for Medicaid. If you have money or assets, you cannot use it. If you do not have money or assets, you can. The people who were not insured before Obamacare, still had this. That’s why it was a bogus issue. The uninsured still had access.
No they did not.
The threshholds for Medicaid were very low, and still are. There are a lot of people who did not have enough to pay for decent health insurance but did not qualify for Medicare. Heck, if you make $11/hour, you may not qualify even after the ObamaCare expansion. I've got a client who employs low-skill workers making $11.18. None of them qualifies for Medicare, and none has insurance. Not a single one.
Every person in the U. S. had access to health care, before Obamacare. They do now, and when Obamacare is repealed, they will still have access.
As I said, this is completely false. Prior to Obamacare, there were tens of millions of people without insurance who were not covered by Medicaid. Nobody with any knowledge of health care would argue to the contrary.
Trump did not know this and you can fault him for that, but there was no need for a statement like the one he made. Some of you cling to it like a baby blanket to make Yourselves comfortable trashing him, but he can’t give a new group access to healthcare, because everyone has it now. They have had it since back into the 1970s.
No, the reason people "cling" to his statement is that everyone was not covered prior to Obamacare, and everyone still isn't covered. Again, you're operating under a completely false assumption.
So, couple the reality that tens of millions of people were not covered prior to Obamacare, and with Trump's promise that there will be "universal" coverage so that "everyone" will be covered, you can see that there is a huge gap that he's promising to fill. And that's why so many of us are asking what he's going to do to ensure that everyone is covered, particularly in light of his statement that "the government" will pay for it.
Interesting that HE’s the ONLY reason there’s a debate about most of these ‘issues’ this cycle.
2nd, he’s saying (some things) we’ve all wanted to hear for a long, LONG time.
If seeing how’s he’s built an empire from a seed, I’ll fight him tooth-n-nail on those that I don’t agree (ethanol, single payer) as long as he also does that which I DO (wall, illegals, Muslims, across-State insurance, etc.) Considering the 1st point, I (personally) have a hard time believing anything out of ANY politicians mouth more than I can threw ‘em. But, that’s just me and my $.02
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