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[I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk]

Why should a baby be murdered when it comes to rape or incest? Is TRUMP really pro-life?


3 posted on 01/23/2016 8:50:10 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. - Psalm 33:12)
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To: stars & stripes forever

And, with modern technology, how many mother’s lives are at risk?


5 posted on 01/23/2016 8:51:34 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. - Psalm 33:12)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Most Americans believe abortion (not right in principle) is a necessary evil in very rare circumstances.

That said, I do not support support abortion on demand or the notion it ought to be freely available.

Its wrong and if we’re going to have a culture of life in our country, we must make getting an abortion difficult to procure.

The Left argues restrictions on gun ownership are justified to save lives. By the same measure, abortion should not be an absolute right - our unborn children have a fundamental right to live.

Let’s make a culture of life a reality.


11 posted on 01/23/2016 8:58:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Why should a baby be murdered when it comes to rape or incest?

Strawman question.

The objective of the pro-life movement is to first, talk about a culture of life and change hearts and minds. That's already happening with young people. Then you get taxpayer money out of abortion. Finally, you continue to fight for restrictions at the state level while working long-term at the federal level for a repeal of Roe v Wade or a constitutional amendment.

I agree with you that rape and incest are less than 1% of the reason for all abortions and it's simply a canard that the pro-abortion butchers use to justify their position. However, getting angry because Trump supports this isn't going to help our cause. I applaud Trump for this (he obviously was pressured by pro-lifers on the March for Life anniversary) and this is a good step in the right direction.

14 posted on 01/23/2016 9:00:23 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: stars & stripes forever

Lot of pro-life people have the same view.

Seriously don’t pretend that they dont.


17 posted on 01/23/2016 9:02:21 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: stars & stripes forever
Found this interesting article from early last year when Trump first announced...

Democrats Endorse Donald Trump In 2016 Presidential Race

28 posted on 01/23/2016 9:13:06 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: stars & stripes forever

With Trump you get 60-75% of what you want in a candidate, without him you get 100% of a Demoncrat. Make your choice.


30 posted on 01/23/2016 9:13:42 AM PST by CMB_polarization
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To: stars & stripes forever

I hate to be the one that breaks it to you but that is the position of the majority of Americans who are pro life. Many Republican candidates hold this position on abortion. You may disagree with that position but just know that you are in the minority.


36 posted on 01/23/2016 9:16:56 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: stars & stripes forever; libbylu; Charles Henrickson
Sample of Trump's writing style, don't forget the very last paragraph:


47 posted on 01/23/2016 9:24:24 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: stars & stripes forever

I do believe he’ll at least make it to where our tax dollars aren’t paying for it.

Planned Parenthood claims they have about 700 planned parenthood facilities in the USA. This means an average of $715,000 going to each facility. Basically, taxpayers are paying to keep them in business.

I don’t believe their claim of over 700 facilities. That would be an average of 14 per state. Should be really be sending $715,000 to each of these facilities?

In Alabama they claim 2 centers. Mississippi 1 center. Georgia 5 centers. Why does Colorado need 21 centers? California 112 centers? NY 59 centers?

Planned Parenthood is run amuck with fraud. We are sending an average of $715,000 per year per facility to keep them open. If Trump does that, it’s a good start.


49 posted on 01/23/2016 9:25:30 AM PST by boycott (--)
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To: stars & stripes forever

“[I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk]”

Let me first say that I have always been pro life, and was very active in the pro life movement back in the eighties and nineties. Even to the extent of being invited to testify before congress (Congressman Bob Smith).

However, regarding the exceptions mentioned, I don’t consider them unreasonable with the exception of “incest”, and the fact is that most incest is also rape (father/ daughter).

Regarding the life of the mother, where it’s a very noble thing to give your life for another, it’s not so noble to force someone to do so. We, along with every other animal were endowed (and I would assume by our Creator) with the instinct of self preservation.

Regarding rape... Self defense is not murder, and has always been recognized as a fundamental right. A woman has a right to protect herself if she is being assaulted, even to the extent of deadly force. It’s not unreasonable in a situation where a rape results in a pregnancy to view the pregnancy as a continuation of the rape. Indeed, when he forced himself inside her, he left part of himself behind. Again, it may be a very noble thing to carry the child to term, but not so noble to force her to do so.


64 posted on 01/23/2016 9:37:55 AM PST by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: stars & stripes forever
"Why should a baby be murdered when it comes to rape or incest? "

If a 14yr old girl is impregnated by her father, or gang raped by a pack of Jihadis, would you use the force of law to compel her to carry that baby to birth?

If it was all up to you?

And would it matter if it was your daughter and she BEGGED you to allow an abortion?

71 posted on 01/23/2016 9:44:54 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Trump is being realistic. Abortion bans with those exceptions are the best we'll get at this time, until it goes back to being a state issue. When a culture of life again prevails, then people will have the strength to oppose abortion, even in cases that are difficult for the mother.

When a mother who has a child who started out life in such a condition is labeled a hero instead of a fool, less women will end the life of their child.

80 posted on 01/23/2016 9:58:53 AM PST by grania
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I am EXTREMELY pro life, however I have given this ALOT of soul searching I DO NOT know if I could carry a baby to term if I had been viciously raped by someone!!! The inner STRENGHTH it would take I do not believe I would have that kind of strength!!


89 posted on 01/23/2016 10:13:28 AM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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‘Why should a baby be murdered when it comes to rape or incest?’

Shouldn’t. It’s a canard. A politically correct position. It enables the rapist and further traumatized the rape victim

Saving the life of the mother. Very rare to begin with. In many cases the infant is viable outside the womb.

In a true case of the mother’s life being at risk if the non viable/ too young fetus will die anyway, I’d like to be presented with such a case.


90 posted on 01/23/2016 10:16:31 AM PST by stanne
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Why should a woman be forced to give birth to the child of the scumbag who raped her? She didn’t ask to become pregnant.


133 posted on 01/23/2016 12:45:58 PM PST by mbrfl
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To: stars & stripes forever

No. The writer of this editorial is close though.


154 posted on 01/23/2016 1:26:52 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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Is TRUMP really pro-life?

The first time I heard Trump speak as a pro-life Republican candidate the interviewer asked about his position on abortion,

Paraphrased: "I'm as pro-life as anyone can be. You wouldn't believe how pro-life I am."

The interviewer asked about exceptions.

Again, paraphrased: "Of course I believe in exceptions. Whatever exceptions the Republican Party believes in, I believe in!"

The man is a snake oil salesman and I trust him less than I trust Hillary or Obama. At least they wear their liberalism as a badge of honor!

171 posted on 01/23/2016 1:59:03 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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All the candidates running believe in aborting the child in rape, incest, and “life of the mother”, except Santorum, Huckabee, Cruz and Rubio. “Catholics” Christie and Jeb Bush spit in the face of the Catholic Church (where no abortion for any reason is allowed), when they advocate murdering the child if they don’t like who the father is. Jeb is the most nauseating. He’s forever blabbing how “pro-life” he is when he sees nothing wrong in murdering the child if it was conceived in rape or incest. In other-words kill the child for the sins of the father. Bush also stood by and allowed Teri Schiavo to be murdered when he could have prevented it.


199 posted on 01/23/2016 3:46:04 PM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Why should a baby be murdered when it comes to rape or incest? Is TRUMP really pro-life?

Those who claim Trump is pro-life cannot really know what abortion truly is. If they did, they'd no sooner want a baby conceived through rape/incest, to undergo a procedure that rips his body apart, causing death. That's not pro-life.

Michael Voris explains it well at this link: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/time-bombs-in-the-march-for-life
214 posted on 01/23/2016 5:12:38 PM PST by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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Most conservatives who are prolife adopt the same exceptions.


236 posted on 01/23/2016 8:17:29 PM PST by reaganaut (Insert tagline here)
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