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Maybe a waste of time, but I thought I'd give it a shot.
1 posted on 01/22/2016 11:40:24 AM PST by Teacher317
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I support Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.

I will not vote for Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Mitt Romney, etc, if he is the eventual candidate, but my main concerns will be flames from fellow FReepers telling me I'm voting for a democrat if I don't go along with the liberal GOP-E guy.

However, I think that he will be good if elected, because, face it, Ted Cruz is the most conservative candidate we've seen on the stage since Reagan, and Donald Trump doesn't give a second thought to peeing in the uniparty's Wheaties.

I would be more likely to react positively to other posters here if they'd quit abandoning the pursuit of Constitutional "original intent" to favor one candidate or another, or claiming we didn't apply the same strict requirements to Obama in his election cycles, or that our understanding of natural born citizen as "children born in country of parents who are themselves citizens" was not handed down to us through our teachers and parents.


36 posted on 01/22/2016 12:11:15 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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I’m a Cruz supporter. But I’m gonna be behind whoever the candidate is. Because at the end of the day, I don’t want another Marxist Democrat in the White House.


37 posted on 01/22/2016 12:11:16 PM PST by Durbin
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Good idea and post.

I support Cruz, will vote Don in general. Depending on what happens, not sure I can guarantee I’ll not do the I told you so thing, from positive or negative pov.


40 posted on 01/22/2016 12:13:33 PM PST by subterfuge (TED CRUZ FOR POTUS!)
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When the primary rolls around, I will vote for the candidate most likely to win the general, Cruz or Trump. I almost always agree with Cruz, but Trump would probably be a better America-turnaround artist.

The main thing is to win in 2016. Stop the socialist juggernaut.

44 posted on 01/22/2016 12:23:35 PM PST by TChad (The left's accusations are usually self-descriptions..)
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I support Cruz.

I WAS SUPPORTING Trump as 2nd choice.

However, I will not vote Trump if he is the candidate.
Why? I have listened carefully to what he has said and looked at his history and do not trust him.
Further, his behavior has so alienated me that I actively and aggressively dislike him.

Polls say 30% of Republicans feels as I do. However, many will end up voting for him probably.


46 posted on 01/22/2016 12:24:06 PM PST by Calpublican (A.G. Lynch: The intent of this statement is to incite violence against radical Islam)
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I stand for Trump.

I reserve any comments on Cruz, since the primaries are not yet.
(BTW, in my State of Louisiana, Jindal will still be on the primary ballot, as of this writing.)

I do NOT want a furtherance of Socialism/Communism in my America.
I do NOT want a furtherance of insertions of mohammedans/illegal invaders in my America.

The rest is all in the unfinished recipe.


52 posted on 01/22/2016 12:30:10 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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I’m having trouble seeing how I could support Trump. I had an open mind and was willing to give him a hard look. He lost me a few weeks ago when he attacked Cruz and Scalia from the left on the same weekend.

He has recently doubled down on the side of Big Government on Kelo (eminent domain for big business to create higher tax revenue), crony ethanol mandates, illegal snooping (NSA), and import duties (more taxes and another chance to reward crony companies chosen by the government).

Now he is coming out on the side of Turtle McConnell and against Cruz standing up to the Washington cartel.

His past support of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their family crime syndicate is unacceptable to me. I don’t care what business deal he was trying to swing.

This is the best chance in 35 years to elect a true conservative for president. I’m having trouble seeing how I could settle for someone who appears to to the left of John McCain and Mitt Romney.


53 posted on 01/22/2016 12:30:45 PM PST by BigBobber (`)
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We need to be able to come together at some point or Yeb (or one of his cronies)will be the candidate


54 posted on 01/22/2016 12:31:06 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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This cheap therapy is appreciated.


59 posted on 01/22/2016 12:32:14 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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Trump/Cruz vs Clinton/Sanders
Anybody remember that Reagan ran with Bush after all their primary campaign acrimony? [”voodoo economics!”]


61 posted on 01/22/2016 12:34:25 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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I support Cruz.

I will vote for Trump if he is the eventual candidate, and I will do so enthusiastically, but my main concerns will be the same for both Trump and Cruz. Will Cruz really be the president we expect from the campaign trail and from his speeches? Will Trump really be the president we expect from his campaign speeches?

However, I think that either one will be good if elected, because both clearly understand far more of the danger of big government than Jeb/Rubio/Christie/Hillary/Sanders, who have not even attempted to articulate a limited government message and probably could not do so.

I would be more likely to react positively to both Trump and Cruz posts if posters could avoid the urge to slam the other candidate. Trump/Cruz is not a choice between Reagan and Romney. It’s a much smaller difference, and I hope posters will lighten up on both of them. I do not believe that Trump can be bought, nor will he need to put much time into fundraising for his second term. That’s a big advantage if he means what he says, and nothing will protect us from a lying candidate like US Senate Candidate Rubio. I do not believe Cruz could have faked conservatism for as long as he has presented as a conservative, and that is a big advantage too.

The downside of Trump? He likes to make deals. I worry that he’ll make a deal that grows FedGov just to win on a particular issue. The downside of Cruz? He doesn’t like to make deals. I worry that he’ll lose out on a chance to trade something small for a big gain that would genuinely shrink our behemoth FedGov, or that the GOP insiders would fight him much harder than they ever fought evil thugs like Obama/Pelosi/Reid.


62 posted on 01/22/2016 12:34:33 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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I’ve flip flopped. I was for Cruz until Trump came along. I was all for him because of his electability until I started finding out more about him. I’m now firmly back with Cruz.

I will vote for Trump is he’s the nom, and I could probably vote for Rubio. I will not vote for anybody else.

My worry is that Trump has too many ties to all the wrong people and he likes single payer healthcare.

A like that he is a strong, loud alpha male who truly loves our country.


65 posted on 01/22/2016 12:43:24 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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I slightly support Cruz, but would vote for Trump in the general, or in the primary if a GOP-e could win my state’s primaries (and Trump is reasonably close AND Cruz is not remotely close).

My main concerns about Trump deal with his past liberalism (he’s obviously an enemy of the Left right now, but I’m not sure if he can’t be persuaded by the Left), his crap tax plan which does not call for the end to the IRS/Socialist Security/Medicare, and how he is probably indifferent (albeit not hostile) to social conservatives and people who want to eliminate ALL government entitlements.

My main concerns about Cruz relate to him not necessarily being the greatest spokesperson, how he comes off as somewhat soft on national security (mostly how he refuses to endorse a similar or better Muslim containment and elimination plan relative to Trump), and some of his pandering to libertarians (albeit unlike Trump, he does have a solid social conservative history).

My opinions of the candidates will not change at this point (with the exceptions of any actions or words on the parts of the candidates, of course). I usually avoid the Cruz/Trump flamewars because they’re populated with the type of idiot who thinks that Trump/Cruz is perfect or almost perfect while Cruz/Trump is a raging liberal. I am more likely to respect the opinions of someone who likes both men, OR someone who sees them both as irredemably flawed.


66 posted on 01/22/2016 12:46:26 PM PST by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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Thanks for trying.

I am a conservative - so I support Ted Cruz!

The Donald is pro-choice. He is willing and eager to "deal" with Dems, the GOPe and K Street. But the most disconcerting feature about the Donald is that he is pro-Trump - first, foremost and forever.

I think many FR Trump posters are being deceived by Trump or deceiving themselves. Nothing about his persona is honest or real except his arrogance.

For those reasons, I cannot and will not vote for Trump in either the primary or general election. If there is a conservative 3rd party candidate in the general, I will vote 3rd party. Or write-in Cruz. Or leave the Presidential line blank and vote on the down ballot races.

I'm not thrilled with his amnesty position, but I could at least stomach voting for Rubio who is largely conservative and 100% pro-life. The Donald is not and he can never gain my trust or vote.

69 posted on 01/22/2016 1:05:35 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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I have come to the realization that I am what I thought did not exist in politics - “the undecided voter”. I am all in for Ted Cruz and I am all in for Donald Trump. I will vote for either if he is the eventual candidate.

Ted Cruz appeals to my intellect. He is the perfect conservative candidate; he loves this country and understands the constitution. However, I fear his appeal is not broad enough to win the general election,. Given a chance, conservatism wins hands down in elections like with Reagan. But this is not the 80’s - society has changed.

Donald Trump appeals to my emotions. He is not a conservative and as far as I know has never claimed conservatism as I might define it, so I have my eyes open in that regard. But he obviously loves this Country and enjoys the broad appeal necessary to win (see: appeals to emotion)

The most important thing to me this election is that Clinton, Sanders, Biden - whoever the demonrats put up - loses.

A Cruz presidency would differ from a Trump Presidency, but either will suffice because they both love the country. That is obvious to me regardless of the social issues.

72 posted on 01/22/2016 1:57:59 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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This journey begun with Sen Cruz all the way from TEXAS. But it was known the man even though smart as a whip had enemies and was not well liked in DC or in the media - he appeared as a strong Conservative endorsed by Sarah Palin.
Two reasons as to why he got this vote. At that time it was necessary to come to grips with the fact that he was (IMHO) no NBC and never thought about his running for POTUS.

When Trump entered held silent until the actual INTENT was signed and financial information turned in. He had run before but failed - something to consider. Knowing he had met prior with other candidates and seeing that he was an excellent businessman and a pro at handling media it was then the two were seen as a team. Cruz/Trump or Trump/Cruz and allowing the two to make peace as they saw fit. Trump’s pros are seen above. He is not a Conservative He is not a liberal, but he is a true American who was born and raised in the same country as I. We see our country slipping away and fear it is gone as we knew it. There are now even more questions as to Cruz as time goes by. He has been tarnished to some degree. Not just by some supporters (NOT ALL) but by questions to him which have not been addressed to personal satisfaction. He is super intelligent and it is said a superb debater, but really, how many times would he debate as POTUS? and does it really matter? I want to vote TRUMP with Cruz in his administration but will, if necessary vote for CRUZ with Trump in his administration. Either one of them would ultimately win a vote over any GOP-e candidate or a democrat. Whatever the outcome, it is a moment to rejoice that we find two candidates who are working for US and not against US.

“Give peace a chance”


74 posted on 01/22/2016 2:11:43 PM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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I support Trump.

Would vote for Cruz.

Support Cruz on SCOTUS.


75 posted on 01/22/2016 2:30:01 PM PST by TigerClaws
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I support Cruz but will vote for Trump if he is the nominee. I will not vote for Jeb or Rubio.

I don’t consider Trump conservative and I’ve sworn to never vote for a non-conservative again but I am making an exception this time.


78 posted on 01/22/2016 3:18:56 PM PST by jch10 (Hillary in the Big House, not the White House .)
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I support Cruz. In a previous one of these threads I said I would vote for Trump if he got the nomination. Now I’m on the fence. My trust in Trump (which was miniscule even at the time of that thread) has diminished even more. At this point I’m expecting Trump to get the nomination. I suppose whether or not I’ll vote for Trump in the general election will depend whether or not he manages to convince me he’s not a con artist between now and November.

Looking on the bright side, Trump is probably the candidate most likely to nuke Mecca. j/k ;-D


79 posted on 01/22/2016 4:28:05 PM PST by FreedomForce ( Cruz 2016 --------- I've come to my senses. Trump is no longer even my second choice.)
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As a Cruz supporter I have no anamosity towards Trump supporters. People feel strongly about their candidate. Feelings amplified by the years of betrayals we have all suffered. We are sick of it and sick of the elites who think we are nothing more than their chattel. We are going to run them out of office and more I think because the elites no longer give a damn about the rule of law, except how they can use it to suppress us.


80 posted on 01/22/2016 6:32:25 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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