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How Physics Lost Its Fizz: Physics is now just recycling once-exciting ideas
blogs.scientificamerican.com ^ | January 18, 2016 | John Horgan

Posted on 01/21/2016 12:52:39 PM PST by Trumpinator

How Physics Lost Its Fizz

Physics, which decades ago seemed capable of answering the deepest mysteries of existence, is now just recycling once-exciting ideas

By John Horgan on January 18, 2016

For a lapsed Catholic like me, physics represented a kind of scientific theology, an empirical, rational way of probing the mysteries of existence. Physicists were discerning resonances between the smallest and largest scales of reality and spinning out astonishing conjectures about our universe and even other universes.

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Physicists' fantasies about parallel and virtual realms are not just stale. Increasingly, they strike me as escapist and even irresponsible, because they are so lacking in evidence. Scientists shouldn't have to serve the public good any more than poets or musicians. But if theories are being passed off as science, shouldn’t they have at least a remote chance of being empirically corroborated? Otherwise, how do they differ from pseudoscientific ideas like intelligent design?

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Things have gotten so bad that physicists are openly fretting about the future of their field. In a recent TED Talk, “Have we reached the end of physics?”, Harry Cliff states that “for the first time in the history of science, we could be facing questions that we cannot answer, not because we don't have the brains or technology, but because the laws of physics themselves forbid it.”

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To: Trumpinator

Some scientists think they know everything and that all has been identified. I remember [as a Medical Lab Technologist] in the late 70’s reading an article in a journal, that lab scientists thought that all human diseases caused by microorganisms had been discovered and defined. Then - surprise! Up popped, AIDS, Lyme disease, all manners of enteric viruses and tick and mosquito born illnesses, not to mention Chalmydia, HPV, Helicobacter, various herpes infections, Ebola, etc. You get the picture?


41 posted on 01/21/2016 3:24:44 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Zuse

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42 posted on 01/21/2016 4:17:26 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Trumpinator

To this non-physics student it always seemed that too much of the theorizing in physics was too anthropomorphic - it’s true that guys on trains going at different speeds would see the movement of an object at different relative speeds, but there must be a way of determining a “true”, “absolute” speed independent of their observations, and that cat in the box - it should be either dead or alive regardless of whether the guy outside the box knows it is or not - and all the indeterminacy experienced in quantum physics - how much of it results from no more than inadequacies in being able to measure accurately at such minute dimensions - but then I watch a show like “Particle Fever” on PBS not long ago - about the search for and demonstration of the Higgs Boson, and the field -at least major elements of it - seems to take on a new vitality.....


43 posted on 01/21/2016 9:04:44 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: I want the USA back

Just the night before last, I was sitting up drinking when some science show came on about the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy.

Much to my amazement, they had pictures! ... video even ! The video was time lapse over a period of a few years, I think, but these are conceptual nanoseconds. It showed stars buzzing around an invisible point like bees.

This was all new stuff circa 2000, I believe. Blew my mind.

I felt like the executive in the New Yorker cartoon remarking over the phone, “A billion is a thousand million? Why wasn’t I informed of this?”


44 posted on 01/21/2016 9:06:11 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Yes, but what about the quantum black hole? AFAIU, the concept has originated from relatively main stream thinking, and includes the idea, ( under the assumption of some relatively improbable assumptions, ) that these energies could produce a quantum black hole that could settle at the center of the earth, which it would end up consuming in a sudden fruition some millions of years hence. It’s an idea that haunts me.


45 posted on 01/21/2016 9:18:46 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Trumpinator
For a lapsed Catholic like me, physics represented a kind of scientific theology

Well, there's your problem right there.

46 posted on 01/21/2016 9:20:51 PM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: dr_lew
...which it would end up consuming in a sudden fruition some millions of years hence. It’s an idea that haunts me...right now I'm consumed with concern about getting through this Saturday's snow storm - think I'll save the black hole stuff 'til next week.....
47 posted on 01/21/2016 9:33:55 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: IronJack
physics has devolved into an cerebral circle jerk expounding ridiculous ideas like string theory, alternate universes, time travel, and dark matter.

There's no physical evidence supporting string theory and alternate universes, however time travel and dark matter are real. If I fly in a spaceship faster than a relative observer, time moves slower for me (Einstein's theory of relativity) - proven through experiementation. Physical evidence also shows dark matter exists: galaxies have a gravitational pull of about 10 times greater than they should be and all stars in a galaxy rotate around the center at the same speed, which is in violation of Newton's laws of gravity. "Dark matter" is that missing matter which accounts for the gravitational pull of these observable phenomenon.
48 posted on 01/22/2016 12:50:15 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Time dilation (the phenomenon you describe) is not the same as time travel. Time travel consists of reversing the movement of a system from higher energy to greater entropy. It would essentially allow you to unring a bell.

Dark matter is a ridiculous theory concocted to explain the gravitational discrepancy you noted. It’s a perfect example of forcing reality to fit the equation, since it is “observable” only by its absence.


49 posted on 01/22/2016 5:19:02 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

Yep. Dark matter and dark energy are both fudge factors intended to bridge the gap between observation and theory.

Ultimately a better theory is needed, but it will be (is being?) bitterly opposed because of the threat it poses to orthodoxy. Even observation is often persecuted if it fails to support the orthodox theories.


50 posted on 01/22/2016 5:35:30 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: IronJack

The more I read, the more I realize that what is being presented as new “science” is really old philosophy with oscilloscopes.

I work to close to the research to view it without skepticism.


51 posted on 01/22/2016 5:46:33 AM PST by redgolum
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To: hopespringseternal
Even observation is often persecuted if it fails to support the orthodox theories.

"Persecuted" is perhaps a strong word. I'm all in favor of a healthy skepticism, especially in the world of science. "New" ideas should be rigorously tested and discarded when the reality does not match the idea. Otherwise, science becomes handmaiden to fashion, and Truth vanishes in a fog of trendy self-importance.

52 posted on 01/22/2016 6:25:31 AM PST by IronJack
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To: redgolum
Good for you. You and scientists like you are the guardians of objective Truth, a realm once thought safe from political correctness.

It's ironic, because the anti-religionists love to point out how the Church suppressed Galileo's observations of planetary movement -- his Eppur si muove: Still, it moves -- moment. But today, those very same people crucify anyone who dares challenge the orthodoxy surrounding "climate change."

Just more liberal hypocrisy, I suppose. But I repeat myself ...

53 posted on 01/22/2016 6:31:09 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

There is a difference between skepticism and persecution. Saying an idea or theory is wrong or even garbage is skepticism. Lawsuits and blackballing is persecution. There are scientists who are being persecuted for even mild constructive criticism of orthodoxy. The whole climate change industry is a good example. In some cases, simply noting a need for further study in an area can bring down the wrath of the mediocrities pushing a worldview rather than science.


54 posted on 01/22/2016 8:17:01 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

Agreed. The difference is largely one of degree. And motive.


55 posted on 01/22/2016 8:19:43 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

I am just an engineer.

For an engineer, it has to work. You can draw up pretty pictures on a smart board, but if it doesn’t conform to reality it doesn’t matter.


56 posted on 01/22/2016 8:37:43 AM PST by redgolum
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To: redgolum
if it doesn’t conform to reality it doesn’t matter

Precisely. Pontificating from ivory towers doesn't accomplish much except to inflate egos.

By the same token, all the ideas that later became engineering marvels had to start with a theory. It's just that the conclusions these days so often dictate the discoveries.

57 posted on 01/22/2016 8:47:49 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack

I agree. I love the crazies in R&D. Makes my life very interesting, and they get a home run now and again. But they also are constrained by “Does this apply to our goals?” We don’t have the FDA in our pocket the push through things with false trials (which is good). What we do has to work. So even with research, it boils down to “Work or not?”


58 posted on 01/22/2016 11:08:32 AM PST by redgolum
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