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The middle class, the working folk know it:

It’s over.

All but the shouting


2 posted on 01/20/2016 1:10:01 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Not voting for a New York liberal. No way, no how. That includes Hillary and Donald.


4 posted on 01/20/2016 1:12:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: xzins

Just heard Jamie Dupree on Hannity. From a poll of Republicans, Trump has 37% support from those who self identify as Very Conservative, 35% from Conservatives and 36% from moderates. He’s also polling well among the so-called Reagan Democrats and Independents. I don’t care how much his opponents hate him. With those numbers he wins.


8 posted on 01/20/2016 1:16:33 PM PST by pgkdan (Trump/Cruz 2016!)
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To: xzins
All but the shouting

And wiping up the tears of the "Conservatives" right here on FR who wetting themselves over Trump's success. The same ones who, had Palin endorsed Cruz, would be dancing in the streets.

47 posted on 01/20/2016 1:46:36 PM PST by dware (Everybody wants to be a patriot, until it's time to do patriot stuff.)
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To: xzins; Albion Wilde; VanDeKoik; SamAdams76; napscoordinator; MamaB; McGruff; onyx; Trumpinator; ...
Did you hear Rush today? All week he has been struggling with explaining the conservatives gravitation to Trump. In part, I think he has missed it by first relying on the weird article by David French (NRO, always iffy), and second he hasn't sufficiently explained the key which is, "Why are conservatives NOT, en mass, backing Cruz?"

The French article in a strange way says that the GOPe has overestimated the power of conservatives in the base. I still can't figure out what Rush is talking about here---for years he's been the chief voice claiming conservatives were undercounted. As best I can tell, French claims that the GOPe sees conservatives as only Bible-thumping social conservatives, but that there were more "wings" to conservatism than just that group. Well, he's right, but that seems to destroy his thesis---maybe someone can explain it to me.

The flip side is that Rush, while edging closer, refuses to get into why conservatives are not flocking to Cruz. I have said here, and continue to argue, that this involves four main points (and I do NOT agree with all/any of them necessarily, but I am trying to explain a phenomenon):

1) Cruz is a part of the establishment that has screwed things up. True, he's cordoned off in the outer cloakroom, but he's still "inside the club," and Trump isn't.

2) Cruz has ties to PACs/Goldman Sachs and the lobbyists that are a big, big problem. I personally think his level of "obligation" to such donors is the smallest of any outside of Trump . . . but it's still an issue.

3) Cruz's overt religiousity turns off a lot of conservatives who aren't "puritanesque" Christians. It's just too much. George Washington NEVER would have allowed someone to say of him that he's "ordained" to be a "king" and "reign over" the United States as Rafael Cruz did of Ted.

4) This is I think the really big one: People don't trust that Cruz can actually get something done, can actually fix things. I think most people think he'd try. But you know your Yoda: "Do, or do not. There is no try." By his own definitions, Trump has held himself to a different standard. He's the "business guy" who "gets things done" and who "makes deals" that are "good for America." There's no "I'm gonna try to do x, y, z." There's, "I'll build the wall."

Now, I don't know if Rush is having trouble with these points because it's Cruz and he IS a conservative candidate, or because he just hasn't "gotten it" yet. But the conservative litmus test of items that most Trump supporters look at has a 200-font first item, STOP THE FLOW OF ILLEGALS AND MUSLIMS. I think any or all other conservative issues are written in 12-point font, much further down the page. Another major Trump litmus test item is, "Make America Great Again." That's not a slogan. That's a deeply held desire on the part of people for a VICTORIOUS America, an America that is #1 in the world in everything again. And his unabashed nationalism, I think, more than anything else is what has the GOPe terrified, because most of them are globalists. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but there is something to the fact that they are all members of the Trilateral Commission, the CFR, and every other freak-show internationalist cabal you can name. Americans are sick of that.

Love to hear your insights if you've heard Rush struggling with this idea this week.

49 posted on 01/20/2016 1:48:32 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: xzins
I've been saying that to incredulous friends since last Summer when it became clear that Trump truly had the pulse of the electorate.

Lately they've become somewhat less incredulous.

55 posted on 01/20/2016 1:52:54 PM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: xzins

Let’s get to working on the Dems. Hillary, Red Bernie or, Slo-Jo. whoever. But just get started as soon as we have enough states who have voted in their primaries.


63 posted on 01/20/2016 2:06:29 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: xzins
The middle class, the working folk know it:

When the crowds turned out for Trump at the very beginning, I was non-plussed (get that--non-plussed. I am too educated to matter--but I can remember when I wasn't--when I still trusted the common man).

I always believed the common man was much smarter than the educated classes, but hadn't seen much of a demonstration of it since Obama came into office.

But Trump backers showed me.

It isn't about Trump and even Trump gets that. It is about the common sense of regular Americans. The workers, the tillers, those who sweat and labor...those whose brains are not filled with the chaff of the institutions of higher learning.

88 posted on 01/20/2016 2:49:08 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light - John Milton, Paradise Lost)
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