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The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit rejected his (Plantiff, Mr. Sissel) suit in August, saying the primary purpose of the law wasn't to raise money.

It seems none of these legal geniuses recognize wealth redistribution when it stares them in the face.

1 posted on 01/19/2016 9:26:51 AM PST by PROCON
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Whelp...there ya have it. Government control of your personal health care.
2 posted on 01/19/2016 9:28:36 AM PST by servantboy777
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Kon-sty-two-shin?

No, we don’t do Kon-sty-two -shin here.

It’s clearly racist.


3 posted on 01/19/2016 9:29:52 AM PST by Tzimisce
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IOW, the Supreme Court neitehr understands nor cares about the Constitution.


4 posted on 01/19/2016 9:31:02 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: PROCON

Constitution? What Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution. We have a Supreme Court!


5 posted on 01/19/2016 9:31:46 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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It used to be that United States Senators were elected by the state legislatures, but the 17th Amendment changed that and established the popular election of Senators by the people of the states, so that kind of made the origination clause moot.


6 posted on 01/19/2016 9:32:18 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The goal of socialism is communism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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To: PROCON
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit rejected his (Plantiff, Mr. Sissel) suit in August, saying the primary purpose of the law wasn't to raise money.

And yet the basis on which they upheld the individual mandate was that the bill was a tax and permitted under the taxing power.

So which is it? Is it a revenue bill or something else?

7 posted on 01/19/2016 9:32:37 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Although I have disagreed with the SCOTUS’s two main rulings on Obamacare, I don’t think we can ever count on the SCOTUS to overturn bad legislation.

The Democrats have been promising national health care since the days of Harry Truman.

If you don’t like this type of legislation, then don’t vote for Democrats for anything for any reason. The people of this country are responsible for BHO getting elected and for giving him overwhelming majorities in Congress in 2008.

Democracy sucks. I know. If it were up to me, we could go back to the limited government constitutional republic established by our Founding Fathers.


10 posted on 01/19/2016 9:35:00 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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Well, they’re 0 for 2, so maybe they don’t want to actually strike out.

SCOTUS is so bad. Not only are their decisions generally unconstitutional, but the assumed scope of the effect of their decisions are also unconstitutional. The Constitution NEVER granted SCOTUS power to make national law. The authority of their decisions are limited to individual cases and controversies and as precedent for other cases and controversies that have the same facts and questions of law IF the original decision was constitutionally based.


11 posted on 01/19/2016 9:35:45 AM PST by Jim W N
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This whole legal challenge was silly because the ObamaCare bill originated in the House anyway.


12 posted on 01/19/2016 9:35:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child (My mama said: "To get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom.")
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Yes but our hero Paul Ryan is on the case.

Ryan’s Tryin.

That’s what counts.

*spit*


15 posted on 01/19/2016 9:37:09 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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They know there are only so many phony decisions they can shove down the citizens’ throats.


16 posted on 01/19/2016 9:38:07 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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I remember at the time thinking that it violated the origination clause.

But they insisted that it was not a tax. But then the Supreme Court decided that it WAS a tax (for constitutionality purposes.)

In short, our constitution means nothing except what our elites say it does.


20 posted on 01/19/2016 9:46:48 AM PST by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: PROCON

Another Constitutional check nullified.


26 posted on 01/19/2016 9:54:44 AM PST by marktwain
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“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” ~ Lysander Spooner

“The man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, ‘Limit yourself’; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian.” ~ Rothbard

“Constitutions and supreme courts are state constitutions and agencies, and whatever limitations to state action they might contain or find is invariably decided by agents of the very institution under consideration. Predictably, the definition of property and protection will continually be altered and the range of jurisdiction expanded to the government’s advantage until, ultimately, the notion of universal and immutable human rights—and in particular property rights—will disappear and be replaced by that of law as government-made legislation and rights as government-given grants.” ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe

“If an agency is the ultimate judge in every case of conflict, then it is also judge in all conflicts involving itself. Consequently, instead of merely preventing and resolving conflict, a monopolist of ultimate decision making will also cause and provoke conflict in order to settle it to his own advantage. That is, if one can only appeal to the state for justice, justice will be perverted in the favor of the state, constitutions and supreme courts notwithstanding.” ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe

“There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.” ~ Montesquieu

“Men are excessively ruthless and cruel not as a rule out of malice but from outraged righteousness. How much more is this true of legally constituted states, invested with all this seeming moral authority of parliaments and congresses and courts of justice! The destructive capacity of an individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and the destructive capacity necessarily expands too.” ~ historian Paul Johnson.


28 posted on 01/19/2016 9:56:11 AM PST by sourcery (Without the right to self defense, there can be no rights at all.)
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Regarding unconstitutional Obamacare, it remains that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for INTRAstate healthcare purposes. Excerpts from Supreme Court case precedents that show this, which lawless Obamas state sovereignty-ignoring justices evidently ignored when they declared Obamacare to be constitutional, are shown below.

When patriots elect Trump, or whatever conservative they elect, they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will fire these state sovereignty-ignoring justices.

Regarding the Obamacare insurance mandate for example, note the fourth entry in the list below from Paul v. Virginia. In that case state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that regulating insurance is not within the scope of Congresss Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), regardless if the parties negotiating the insurance policy are domiciled in different states.


37 posted on 01/19/2016 10:19:43 AM PST by Amendment10
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no, they saw it, they are just liars.


41 posted on 01/19/2016 1:14:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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