Posted on 01/18/2016 7:12:48 PM PST by Isara
Trump has already said he will work with the congress. He believes he is the deal maker who can succeed where Obama never tried.
The premise of this thread is not clear, but certainly EOs can be used to back out of Obama deals. But Trump will follow the constitution
The responses here make me weep for the Republic.
No, I wouldn’t. I am not naive enough to ignore the likelihood of another Democrat President in the future. I fear an escalation to dictatorship most of all. I would like permanent measures put into place limiting government power, not extending it.
I had another poster inquire why I thought trump’s election would be the death of the Republic.
The school of thought is that they have to be specific to areas of current Law, but that is as vague as what constitutes a Natural Born Citizen.
FDR issued thousands of EO’s with the most famous being the Internment of Japanese American Citizens. I guess if Lincoln could ignore Habeas Corpus and imprison his Political Enemies during the Civil War, anything is fair game.
Thank you. It’s meaning will be completely lost on all but a few out of every thousand and by the end of this generation, it may very well be lost for good.
Well said.
The quantity of Executive Orders isn’t the problem. If Obama issued only a dozen but each of those were in effect unconstitutional legislation, or which explicitly stopped the execution of laws that he himself has signed, then we have a much larger problem. This isn’t remedied by giving “our guy” the same power. If that happens, we aren’t any different than any banana republic which is what we’d like to avoid.
Pacifists and defeatists need to get a taste of a real leader who will grab the enemy, twist him by the nose and kick him in the ass!
What did you expect? We’ve been waiving around the constitution like Chamberlin for forty years, and these commie bastards have ignored it every time! If you want to play football by the rules while they use snipers, you always lose!
Leni
Bingo. What started as a positive anti-establishment movement has turned into a full-bore desire for dictatorship. It was previously impossible to understand how some leaders came to power in history. The advent of a population that allowed Obama to go full dictatorship is now being countered by a movement to double down in the name of repairing it. The result will be no better if this continues.
Re: “But Trump will follow the constitution”.
Obama swore on the Bible that he would do that, too. Actions will speak louder.
The question is, will trump more or less play around with what Obama has wrought, or will he expand and consolidate power, much as Caesar Augustus consolidated power and more or less castrated the Roman Senate, becoming the first Roman emporer. My son thinks eventually we’ll call our emporer The Donald.
Sadly, the Constitution is already gone, and the United States does not function under rule of law.
The fix is in, and similar situations routinely have vastly different resolution based on who you are, who you know and who receives your tribute.
Men without scruples can subvert any Constitution, and the only way to bring them to justice is to employ a man more powerful in leadership than the degenerates have.
In order to write our Constitution in the first place, we had to employ a man more powerful in leadership than the Brits and Tories that abused the Law over the American Patriots, and grant him great executive authority.
Then we had to bring the Brits and Tories to justice by force of arms under executive order.
Finally, we were able to write the Constitution while protected from the abuse of Law by Executive Order, and implement it more than a dozen years later.
That, gentlemen, is the only way you get a decent Constitution, ... Force.
No chance of that. His supporters are made up of Patriots who are sick and tired of promises broken by the usual political set. We don’t intend to do the same thing again and elect someone chosen for us by the establishment and elite set. This time, we pick whomever we want and it is not another cream puff afraid to disobey political correctness. The Constitution will be obeyed again.
I agree. It isn’t the EO, it the EO that doesn’t meet the guidelines that you just described.
Since Congress has done NOTHING to stop Obama from abusing EO’s (with the approval of the Justice Department I might add), the only way to know what Trump will do is to read the EO’s he submits.
In other words, he has to issue them for us to know what’s in them.
He already said he would issue an EO allowing Military Members to Carry Weapons on Base. Is that an Unconstitutional EO? I don’t know, do you?
So Trump will issue unconstitutional executive orders to circumvent separation of powers and federalism, but he will do it "better" and for "better things" than Obama...I see.
He did announce one - that he would issue an executive order mandating the death penalty for cop killers. That they should be severely punished is not debatable, but Trump's proposal completely undermines separation of powers and federalism - the prosecution is a state issue, not federal, and undermines the legislature to pass laws and the judiciary to hand out sentences...but what are little things like that, anyway?
Many will openly approve it though they would have disapproved it had the identical thing been said about anyone else - others will just yell “lies!” when presented with irrefutable evidence.
I don’t know who makes the rules regarding being armed on base. But making that EO shouldn’t override existing federal law. If it does, well that’s not how our system is supposed to work. The president isn’t allowed (or at least isn’t supposed to be) to write law.
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