Posted on 01/18/2016 5:57:15 PM PST by Enlightened1
For all the arguments that went on for years on this web site, talk radio and many other sites about Obama's eligibility.... If Cruz is eligible because his mom was a U.S. Citizen, then so is Obama because his mom was a U.S. Citizen.... Just saying!
So if Obama was born in Kenya, then according to you Obama is legit since Ann Dunham was a U.S. Citizen.
He does? How do you know?
Question: I do not particularly like Trump’s 20 odd years of liberal positions and I don’t really trust him.
Does that mean I have TDS?
How unenlightened of you.
You are correct, unless Obama was born abroad. That’s because at that time the law for a parent abroad was that they had to have lived in the USA for at least 5 years after they had turned 14. That was basically to prevent children of 18 year olds serving in the military from being citizens. Obama’s mother was only 18 when she had him. Of course if he was born in Hawaii as he claims then that’s a different story.
Finding that he was improvidently seated results in his removal from office, replacement using the line of succession, disgracing Congress for finding an ineligible president-elect, and accepting all of the actions undertaken while Obama was in office to be VALID. De facto officer doctrine takes care of that. Not used often, but it has been used.
I never heard that before, but I do know she was 19 almost 20 when she had him in 1962.
Only true if his birth was outside the US.
I don’t think the dems believed that, The only reason they went to all the trouble to claim Obie was born in Hawaii is because they knew that he needed that to be eligible.
Otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered.
Exactly! Why would the dems bother manufacturing a BC if it didn’t matter.
That is true and why a illustrator facsimile of a birth certificate is a poke in the eye to those who dared to ask. I think the best case against Obama was that he may have been expatriated to Jakarta from whatever country he had citizenship. Lolo, his stepfather adopted him and has listed him as a citizen of Jakarta on some documents. If he was expatriated, Obama may not even be citizen, but we can't know for sure, the records are sealed.
That depends,
If he was born in Kenya, Obama’s mother did not meet the requirements to pass citizenship to Obama at the time of his birth according to the laws that were in place at the time Obama was born.
If he was born in Hawaii, then yes, he is an NBC per 14th Amendment enabling jus soli as grounds for citizenship at birth.
“The originalist interpretation of natural born citizen is born in US soil.”
I know you play a constitutional/legal expert on FR but that statement is unsupported and untrue.
Nope. Not trusting Trump I get. Some of the stupid attacks on him I see are TDS inspired, though.
Ditto the way some people attack Cruz.
Frankly, I’m still on the fence, so maybe that makes me a little more objective.
What I’m not on the fence about: NO BUSH, NO RUBIO, NO CHRISTIE, NO CLINTON, and NO SANDERS.
Can we all agree on that? Please?
a) Based on a French text on Natural Law actually present at the Constitutional Convention in 1789: A "natural born" subject of a sovereign (or citizen of a republic) is one where i) both parents are subjects/citizens at the time of birth; AND ii) the parents are married (bastards are not "natural born" subjects, most likely because parentage is in doubt).
b) As laid out on National Review: a "natural born" citizen is anyone who is a citizen without having to go through the legal process of naturalization. The NR author argues this was understood by the Founders when they gave control of naturalization legislation to the Congress.
Personally, I'm inclined to (a), simply because if Congress had plenary authority over naturalization, it could simply declare in law that all residents of the US (or the world, for that matter) do not need naturalization.
But I tend to think that (b) is really what everyone means by "natural born." The only complication is those born in the US to parents who are not citizens.
There is the further complication of her marriage to an Indonesian and a lengthy residency in Indonesia. But beyond the legal stuff, which I think is a stretch, because Hawaii was willing to issue him a certificate of birth, it has to do with his lack of attachment to this country. His mother seems to have little respect for this country and he not much more. The only American and he seems really at home with are progressive academics. Certainly at the famous Berlin rally he case himself as a citizen of the world, with evident disdain for American patriotism.
Obama’s incompetent forgery of a birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii.
Sorry you just embarrassed yourself. Educate yourself.
This is why his passport, school records have been sealed from public scrutiny. Obama applied for foreign student assistance. Years from now we will find all this out.
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