The 'New York values' of which Senator Cruz spoke were those that EXCLUDED NY First Responders from the Tenth Anniversary of 9/11 ...
Posted on 01/17/2016 5:22:20 AM PST by doldrumsforgop
What to make of Senator Ted Cruz? He is a very, very smart man who apparently believes that the median Republican presidential primary voter is very, very dumb. There’s some evidence for that proposition — Donald Trump still leads in the national polls — but Cruz’s strategy rests on the proposition that these voters will enjoy being condescended to. He may very well have chosen the most effective strategy. Senator Cruz is very much hardwired into the current us-and-them mood of the electorate, Right and Left, and though he is a creature of Princeton and Harvard Law whose household long has been sustained by a Goldman Sachs paycheck, Cruz is keenly interested in giving the impression that there exists a vast cultural chasm between himself, the champion of what some populists like to call “the Real America†— as though Ronald Reagan of Hollywood, J. P. Morgan of Wall Street, and Bill Gates of Harvard weren’t real Americans — and the wicked Washington-based elite. Cruz is an outsider to the extent that a member of an Ivy League eating club (have someone explain it to you) who went on to be a member of the nation’s most prestigious lunch club, the Senate, can be an outsider. He is a Texan, albeit a Texan from the anodyne suburbs of Houston, which could be the suburbs of anywhere. He didn’t grow up baling hay in Muleshoe.
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what turned me off was pitting state against state.
I’ve never EVER heard of that as a strategy.
and yes, saying one’s state’s values or better or worse than another state’s is divisive.
i wont vote for such a person.
plus what he says and what he does dont match up too well.
but i turned a blind eye towards those other things.
this put me over the top.
and the IRONIC thing is many on the board who are agreeing with him are voting for TRUMP, Mr. NYC himself!!
i am too, but I live here. :)
New York values have nothing to do with 911 responders. Hillary did the same thing when questioned about her ties to Wall Street. Change the subject-a Democrat tactic.
Trump will win, but Kevin Williamson & NR are GOPe a-holes, wait, GOPe-holes.
“Southerners know exactly what Ted said and meant, and their strong propensity for Social Conservatism was the target Ted wanted.”
I am a Southerner and I do know what Ted said and meant. He said and meant that phrase “New York values” to pander to the voters in Iowa. His organization did research on that phrase in Iowa before it was rolled out. He never mentions that he goes to those same people in New York that he sneers at in Iowa — homosexual donors, and pledges not to fight gay marriage.
Later on, he will come South and talk about deportation of illegals, which he finally, half-way, talks about and will neglect to mention that he is taking large sums from the open border crowd of donors, who are smart enough not to throw their money away on a candidate who opposes their “values”.
When watching a sports match, it’s easy to see whose side each person is on by watching reactions to a close call. Each will call it for their favorite team. The same is true in politics Each pundit calls it for their own team. In this country of over 300 million people, there is a small minority totally engulfed by the NY-DC political-media-celebrity cocoon. They always call every close match for their own team. The rest of us in the heartland call it differently.
The 'New York values' of which Senator Cruz spoke were those that EXCLUDED NY First Responders from the Tenth Anniversary of 9/11 ...
what are NY values? whatever they are, they’re good enough for old Ted to take a FORTUNE from people here, including a couple of gay guys,
and for his wife to make a FORTUNE here.
so dont lecture me about values,
Ted has shown that he has none except power.
“DT said he was probably responsible for hostage release?”
Uh... he was, although Hussein will take the credit.
This writer is so idiotic. I understand his overarching point here, Republicans shouldn’t chastise “New York”, a.k.a. urbanites/big city/etc, but there are so many contrary points to be made here.
1) Let’s start with the fact that no Republican is going to win New York state. Despite Williamson’s dreams of presumably the biggest RINO of all time (Jeb Bush?) running on the GOP ticket, as long as there’s a Democrat running, the state of New York will select that person regardless. No amount of pandering to New York OR stereotyping them will change that.
2) Let’s keep the context in mind here. We’re less than 3 weeks from the Republican Iowa Caucuses. Less than 2 months from the South Carolina primaries. Like it or not (or perhaps this writer is ignorant of this) the vast majority of people that vote in these two contests do not look upon New York City as a place to aspire to. Contrarily, they know exactly what one means when one says “New York Values”. Trust me, John Smith from Poppycock, IA isn’t offended by the term. He doesn’t sit there and try to wrap his head around all the little exceptions to the phrase and wonder why someone would forget about poor Milton Friedman.
3) It’s funny how in the same article the author calls the suburbs of Houston, to paraphrase, “may as well be anywhere” in an article where he wants us to not stereotype or neglect the finer points of New York City. I grew up in the suburbs of Houston. No, I don’t ride a horse or wear a cowboy hat, but it’s not the same as growing up in the suburbs of anywhere, and this little afterthought is a big deal since it flies in the face of his main point.
4) New York earned their reputation. Further, the phrase comports to the eye of the beholder. Trump was proud of New York Values in 1999. In fact, many people are proud of New York’s socially-liberal, economically-conservative bent. New York Values isn’t necessarily a bad thing to a good portion of people.
5) Like it or not, stereotypes exist of every city. This should be a no-brainer, but apparently not when reading this article and seeing so much misplaced frustration. New York has a stereotype, LA, Miami, Dallas, Seattle, Chicago... etc. Hell, the political media plays on those stereotypes every day when they say how one candidate will “play well” in Iowa while another will do better in New Hampshire. That’s because the states are very different and their, wait for it, values are very different. If someone were to say New Hampshire values, I think most of us would think, “libertarian-leaning, small government, open-minded”, while if someone were to say Iowa values, “Christian, farmer-oriented, socially-conservative”. These aren’t inherently good or bad things. They just are. New York just is.
I could keep going, but this is enough. I’m very disappointed in this article though. I can’t believe how short-sighted it is.
We are one nation. The fight is with the globalists who would dissolve our nation into some sort of world system.
Sure, a lot of those people live in NY, but they are everywhere. And, to defeat them, we have to have support from everywhere.
I grew up in NY. My family is there. I learned to love America there.
Even as a strategy, I think the whole “New York values” thing stinks. The only way we are going to get our country back is doing what Ronald Reagan did when he won New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts twice, and that’s standing up for America - all of it.
Not all of us were born into Trump’s wealth, believe it or not. Some of us actually have to earn our money, and yes, most politicians have to fundraise. I know in your perfect world presumably only the rich could be allowed to run for office, but that’s not reality.
I think you're right. When people who live in NY STATE, not NY CITY, hear "New York", their minds do not go to NYC. I'm one of 'em. If a friend tells me "it's supposed to snow in New York today", I think, "So Mom will be getting snow at the farm." The farm is near Buffalo. So when Cruz makes a statement like that, NYers outside of the City have an immediate negative reaction. Sure, after a while they'll process it and maybe deduce that he meant NYC. But there are two things: (1) DID he mean NY City? We don't know for sure. (2) NYers' -- upstate, western, southern tier, etc. -- first reaction was negative. I guess that's what you mean by "optics". Even if they finally think he might've meant NYC, that negative feeling was first. It's like the saying, "You have only one chance to make a good first impression."
Anybody who starts referring to New York Firefighters and Policemen who bravely tried to rescue victims in 911 or conservative icon William F. Buckley to refute Cruz is deliberately ignoring what he is REALLY saying and attacking a Straw Man.
He was NOT talking about the above folks when he refers to “New York Values” and he clearly said so.
He was talking about the New York State tendency to vote in Pro-abortion, Pro-gay marriage, pro- big labor union, anti-gun rights politicians.
So from one New Yorker to another, if you vote for politicians who have the above values, OWN UP ! He’s referring to YOU.
If not, then he’s not talking about you at all.
For the record Trump will win New York in the primaries and regular election.
Cruz just tossed NY 100% for the Democrats. Which is not helpful.
Cruz has a small chance to win in Iowa, but Trump will win New Hampshire and South Carolina. Trump nationally leads by almost 30 points. He is higher than Ronald Reagan at this time.
I like Cruz, but he does not appeal to the masses. The fact that he has sided with the Establishment should give you pause vs. Trump who is hated by the Establishment.
Finally, I don’t even think Cruz is qualified. Given the fact that he could have run for Canadian Prime Minister up to about 14 months ago. The Establishment knows this, and that is why they are pushing Cruz. To set him up to take down Trump, and only later to be disqualified.
The Establishment is using Cruz to attack Trump and divide conservatives.
Another thing you guys don’t understand was that this was in direct response to Trump’s line that “not a lot of evangelicals come out of Cuba”. That comment was uncalled for and I’ve yet to see you Trump people willing to stand up and say so.
RE: De Blasio’s election with 73% of the vote
Only 22% of eligible New York City residents bothered to go out and vote that fateful day.
So, 73% is more a reflection of APATHY on the part of voters than anything else.
I am a New Yorker (NYS, not NYC), and I didn't know at first what Ted said and meant. My hackles went up immediately. People outside of NYC don't automatically add the word, "City", every time someone says, "New York".
So, even though every person in the remaining 49 states KNEW he meant NYC, he pissed off an entire state who are New Yorkers.
RE: Let’s start with the fact that no Republican is going to win New York state.
There are many folks who believe that Trump, a New York resident and icon, could make this state the exception this year ( Cruz won’t be able to do that ).
If Trump wins New York, he wins the Presidency, HANDS DOWN!
You can spin it anyway that you like but NY and NYC are firmly Socialist and Communist and there are “Conservatives” defending them. Who needs Ipecac? Just read Pro-Trump posts.
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