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A Simple-Minded Reading of the Constitution on the Subject of Citizenship
vanity | 1/16/2016 | Self

Posted on 01/16/2016 5:15:49 PM PST by John Valentine

I shall show that the Constitution contemplates two types of Citizen: those that acquire their citizenship at birth and those who acquire their Citizenship at a later time. The first are referred to in the Constitution as 'natural born' and the second is a class of citizen not specifically named but implied and are those we consider 'naturalized citizens.'

The word 'citizen' including derivative forms appears only eleven times in the Constitution. We shall look at each instance and derive what is possible from each usage and instance. By the end, I hope to have exhaustively shown that within the 'four corners' of the Constitution, two and only two types or classes of citizen are identified or implied: citizens by birth and citizens by naturalization. There is no third subset of citizen to be differentiated from among the two classes of citizen identified or implied in the Constitution.

 

Instance 1: Article I, Section 2, Clause 2

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

This clause establishes three requirements for eligibility to membership in the Untied States House of Representative. They are:

1.     Age of at least 25 years

2.     A citizen of the United States for at least 7 years

3.     An inhabitant of the state from which elected

Notice, please, that the citizenship requirement requires fewer years than does the age requirement. This fact requires acceptance of the notion that an individual can become a citizen at some time long after being born, and implies things about citizenship: first that individuals can be citizens, and second that there can be a time in the life of the individual before the individual became a citizen.

This is important: there is nothing in this clause that says or implies anything about citizenship by birth.

 

Instance 2: Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

This clause establishes three requirements for eligibility to membership in the Untied States Senate. They are:

1.     Age of at least 30 years

2.     A citizen of the United States for at least 9 years

3.     An inhabitant of the state from which elected

Notice, please, that the citizenship requirement again requires fewer years than does the age requirement. This fact requires acceptance of the notion that an individual can become a citizen at some time long after being born, and implies things about citizenship: first that individuals can be citizens, and second that there can be a time in the life of the individual before the individual became a citizen.

This is important: there is nothing in this clause that says or implies anything about citizenship by birth.

 

Instances 3 and 4: Article II, Section 1, Clause 5

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

This clause establishes three requirements for eligibility for service as President of the Untied States. They are:

1.     Age of at least 35 years

2.     A natural born citizen of the United States or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

3.     Resident within the United States for at least 14 years

Notice here that a different citizenship requirement is established: in fact, two alternative requirements. We need not concern ourselves with the second, which concerns the Framer's generation and has no application to anyone alive today.

As to the first we see that the citizenship requirement has no specific requirement for its duration. Instead, it refers to a citizenship deriving from the circumstances of birth.

This is a distinctly different citizenship requirement than those for the House of Representatives or Senate. The citizenship requirements for the House of Representatives and Senate could encompass the same class of citizen contemplated by the requirement for Presidential eligibility. We do know that historically individuals have served both in the Senate and as President so the requirements cannot be mutually exclusive.

Logically, we can conclude that the citizenship requirement for eligibility to the Presidency would also be sufficient to establish eligibility for the House of Representatives and Senate.

Thus far there are two classes of citizen established or implied by the language of the Constitution: (1) a class of citizen (natural born) which is derived by the circumstances of birth and which suffices to establish the citizenship component for eligibility for membership in the House of Representatives and Senate, and for service as President, and (2) another class of citizenship which does not depend on the circumstances of birth and can be acquired many years after the birth of an individual and which suffices to establish the citizenship component for eligibility for membership in the House of Representatives and Senate, but not for service as President.

For clarity, going forward I will refer to these two classes of citizen as follows:

As to the first class, these are 'natural born'

As to the second class, these are 'naturalized'

This is important: Thus far there is no third class of citizenship discussed, implied or established within the four corners of the Constitution.

 

Instances 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9: Article III, Section 2, Clause 5

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States,— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

This clause does not establish a further class of citizen. As for the first four instances mentioned in this clause, these by implication refer to the classes of citizen mentioned in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2 and in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3; that is, those mentioned above as natural born or naturalized. As for the fifth instance, this refers to a citizens of a foreign State and therefore not relevant to this discussion.

This is important: Nothing in this clause references or establishes a third class of citizenship.

 

 

Instances 10 and 11: Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

This clause, too, does not establish a further class of citizen, and the two instances mentioned in this clause, by implication refer to the classes of citizen mentioned in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2 and in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3; that is those mentioned above as natural born or naturalized.

 

Thus we have exhausted every mention of the word citizen and all its derivative forms, plural, etc. that are found in the Constitution of the United States.

It is demonstrated that there are only two classes of citizen established within the Articles, Sections and Clauses of the Constitution.

These classes are:

1.     natural born

2.     naturalized

All citizens must belong to one of these classes. If a citizen is not naturalized only one other possibility has been identified: natural born. All citizens are either naturalized or natural born; there is not other possibility.

Obviously, this analysis will categorize any citizen acquiring citizenship by birth as natural born. Some argue that only SOME citizens acquiring citizenship by birth are to be classed as natural born. They claim that other citizens acquiring citizenship by the circumstances of their birth are a subset of naturalized citizen.

But, all such arguments must be based on suppositions, presumptions and hypotheses that are extraneous to the Constitution itself, for as I have exhaustively shown, the Constitution itself creates no such category of citizen.

I also submit that unless the Constitution is inherently impossible of interpretation or understanding based on its own terms, such extraneous references must not be permitted, or may sometimes be permitted with little weight as set against the Constitution’s own clear provisions.

I submit that all the fevered and tortured bending and twisting, and all the references to this and that while perhaps entertaining are essentially nothing more than a diversion.

The Constitution itself is clear. It establishes two classes of citizen; those that have become citizens through the process of naturalization, and those who are citizens by birth, that is the natural born citizens.

There is no third class of citizen.


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KEYWORDS: citizen; constitution; cruz2lose; natural; naturalborncitizen; naturalized
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To: sitetest
-- In the case of Sen. Cruz, birth did. --

Slight correction, I don't think you will object. In the case of Sen. Cruz, birth and operation of an act of congress did.

81 posted on 01/16/2016 6:39:05 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL at the tagline.


82 posted on 01/16/2016 6:39:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: goldstategop

“According to the 14th Amendment, all citizens have equal rights and immunities.”

That is a demonstrably false statement. The 14th Amendment is what is described as a general clause, whereas the natural born citizen clause and a number of other clauses in the Constitution proper are specific clauses. The code of Statutory Construction does not allow the general clause of the 14th Amendment to negate the specific clauses of the Constitution proper which do provide for unequal rights.


83 posted on 01/16/2016 6:44:14 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: John Valentine

How can anyone argue with that?


84 posted on 01/16/2016 6:44:21 PM PST by moehoward
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To: John Valentine

Logically stated, John Valentine.

The notion of natural birth entailing birthplace (i.e., in one of the United States or the nation’s territories or even the nation’s military bases or embassies) is preposterous. Such a requirement would obviate the U. S. citizenship of any child born of a U. S. citizen parent serving the nation OR NOT anywhere in the world. If “serving” is the operative word, what qualifies as “service”? Military? Legation? Trade? U. S. business interests? Academic study? Vacation? Who or what would rule on meeting the “service” categorical requirement?

Location of birth, for any reason whatsoever, has to be the least compelling, most ephemeral, of all imagined requirements for “natural birth” citizenship. If location of birth WERE implicit in the Constitution, what mother-to-be would dare leave the country, knowing that her child would be ineligible for citizenship until he was able to master the requirements for naturalized citizenship? Would she knowingly deprive him of the benefits of citizenship (such as they are) up until that time?

BECAUSE the U. S. hasn’t required naturalization of a foreign-born child of a U. S. citizen, we should be able to deduce that an additional requirement for citizenship is not necessary.

And, by your reasoning, if there ARE only two categories of citizenship, the child of a U. S. citizen, born ANYwhere, is a natural-born citizen.


85 posted on 01/16/2016 6:47:04 PM PST by Mach9
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To: John Valentine

We do have statute that defines "citizen at birth". What we lack is statute that defines "natural born citizen". Why? Because Congress does not possess the enumerated power to alter the Constitution except through the amendment process. An amendment could be written to redefine "natural born citizen" from Article II, or "treason" from Article III, or "republican form of government" from Article IV, etc. But these changes in definition cannot be legislated outside the amendment process; the Congress cannot "amend by statute". As such, regular legislation with regard to citizenship is restricted to establishing uniform rules of naturalization. Ergo, a citizen who requires statute to enjoy citizenship is not naturally a citizen ... is not a natural born citizen.


86 posted on 01/16/2016 6:47:56 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: John Valentine

The analysis is incomplete. Check out the 14h Amendment. The purpose of the 14th was: Equal-protection to all citizens; and that such equal-protection does not apply to non-citizens. Thus it tries to describe who are citizens and because it was focused on former slaves, it left ambiguous those born as citizens who are not born in the US.

There is absolutely no dispute that Cruz was born a citizen. Anyone who argues that can’t read or think. The question is whether Cruz was a natural-born citizen. Some would argue that there are 3 classes of citizens:
Those born in the US.
Those born outside the US to US citizen parents and thus inherit the parent’s citizenship.
Those born not-a-US-citizen but naturalized into citizenship.

This was argued and pretty much settled when George Romney (born in Mexico) ran for president. It was agreed by all lawyers, media personalities, politicians, just about everyone, that anyone who did not need to be naturalized was in fact natural born. Thus George Romney and Ted Cruz are natural born citizens.

I was not a George Romney fan and was open to being convinced that he was not a natural-born citizen. But the facts and logic to support my desire to eliminate him just did not exist.


87 posted on 01/16/2016 6:48:30 PM PST by spintreebob (ttl)
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To: exit82
You are welcome. It is not possible to honestly read this case for the proposition that Bellei and his doppelganger Cruz are NBC. The case would not exist if Bellei was NBC! The fact that the case exists at all, is the proof both are naturalized.

I still get cranks who assert I am reading the case wrong. Cherry pick the reference to the 1790 act, for example. Blatant dishonesty, is what it is. Willful misrepresentation. Moral corruption. SMH.

88 posted on 01/16/2016 6:48:49 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: EternalVigilance

Do you want Congress and the President to restrict immigration?

If so, under what provision of the Constitution do they have the authority to do so?


89 posted on 01/16/2016 6:49:35 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: kjam22

In modern American English that is quite true. I was only referring to the fact that the prominent legal authority of the time of the Founding, St. George Tucker, used both terms, giving them the same meaning, in his extensive commentary on the Constitution with its extensive discussion of English law and the differences between it and American law. The principal point he made that is enormously relevant on this topic is that the law applying to subjects of a monarch has nothing to do with the law applying to citizens of a democratic republic.


90 posted on 01/16/2016 6:50:22 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Cboldt

I know-we are seeing a lot of this dishonesty lately.

But you are educating many—hang in there.


91 posted on 01/16/2016 6:50:45 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: lquist1

“Then neither was Barry Goldwater, George Romney and John McCain, yet they were all allowed to run for POTUS.”

Barry Goldwater was a natural born citizen, because the Territory of Arizona was determined by U.S. law to be an incorporated territory of the United States of America and thereby under the full sovereign jurisdiction of the United States in common. If Barry Goldwater had been born in an unincorporated territory of the United States, he would have been born with U.S. citizenship by the authority of the Immigration and Naturalization Act as a naturalized at birth U.S. citizen.


92 posted on 01/16/2016 6:52:13 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: John Valentine

In other words a foreigner from any contry in the world can come in the U. S. legally or illegally have a child here and that child could be president?

Just have a hard time believing that is what founding fathers steeped in Natural Law and English common law wouldhave intended.


93 posted on 01/16/2016 6:54:36 PM PST by amihow (l)
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To: unlearner

The Constitution gives control over immigration and naturalization to Congress.

Which is why Cruz was made a citizen, by virtue of the immigration and naturalization laws duly passed by Congress.

If the statute had read differently, as it did at other times in U.S. history, Cruz would not have even been granted citizenship, much less have been considered “natural born.”


94 posted on 01/16/2016 6:55:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cruz + Rubio doesn't even add up to one natural born citizen. Still short a citizen father.)
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To: John Valentine; WhiskeyX
No person who acquires citizenship AT BIRTH is naturalized.

You need to head straight to DC and straighten out the people there then, John, because that isn't what they say.

There are two general ways to obtain citizenship through U.S. citizen parents, one at birth and one after birth but before the age of 18.
Chapter 1 - Purpose and Background
In general, current nationality laws only refer to acquisition of citizenship for persons who automatically become U.S. citizens either at the time of birth or after.
Chapter 3 – United States Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309)
A person born in the United States who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a U.S. citizen at birth, to include a person born to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.

Surely they aren't talking about people who aren't aliens/foreigners since Congress can only establish an uniform rule of naturalization (nationality laws wouldn't govern a natural born citizen because their nationality is already established, right?), are they?

95 posted on 01/16/2016 6:57:14 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: EternalVigilance
And it was added very recently by the Obama people.

I know.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3054508/posts?q=1&;page=148#139

96 posted on 01/16/2016 6:57:22 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: so_real

You are correct that a statute cannot be used to amend the Constitution. But statutes are used all the time to give effect to Constitutional mandates. We have hundreds os statutes and hundreds of thousands of federal regulations, all ostensibly enacted and promulgated under the authority of the Constitution.

I would argue and I have argued that there is nothing in the statutes dealing with nationality that acts to amend or alter the plain words of the Constitution.

But you are just plain wrong when you argue that the meaning of ‘natural born citizen’ as used in the Consitution is settled or clear. It never has been that, ever.


97 posted on 01/16/2016 6:57:51 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Wow. Excellent job.


98 posted on 01/16/2016 6:59:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cruz + Rubio doesn't even add up to one natural born citizen. Still short a citizen father.)
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To: John Valentine
Citizenship by naturalization is never conferred at birth.

Again, see reply 95.

99 posted on 01/16/2016 7:00:56 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: amihow
In other words a foreigner from any contry in the world can come in the U. S. legally or illegally have a child here and that child could be president?

Just have a hard time believing that is what founding fathers steeped in Natural Law and English common law wouldhave intended.

I don't like it any more than you do, but thanks to our courts and a bunch of very poorly reasoned decisions, that's exactly where we are, very sad to say.

100 posted on 01/16/2016 7:01:03 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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