Posted on 01/15/2016 4:44:05 AM PST by Kaslin
When David Bowie died after a very private fight with liver cancer, obituary writers churned out words like "icon" and "legend" and "subversive." Despite a life of very fluid explorations of musicality and sexuality and spirituality, the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano celebrated Bowie as "never banal," displaying an "artistic rigor" which seemed to contradict the sexually "ambiguous image" he presented to "attract the attention of the media."
This star-struck eulogy ignored Bowie's 2013 album "The Next Day." His "artistic rigor" included a nasty anti-Catholic video, starring actor Gary Oldman as an angry priest. It begins with this priest punching a begging teenage boy in the face. He enters what appears to be a nightclub for priests (and a cardinal) who glance lasciviously at half-dressed women. Bowie "sings" (in this case, unmusically growls) "And the priest stiff in hate now demanding fun begin / Of his women dressed as men for the pleasure of that priest." He offers only cynicism toward these set-apart, celibate men: "They can work with Satan while they dress like the saints / They know God exists for the devil told them so."
For Crisis magazine, Father George Rutler added that this unofficial Vatican paper also celebrated the artistry of the notorious child-abuser Michael Jackson: "Everybody knows his problems with the law after the pedophilia accusations. But no accusation, however serious or shameful, is enough to tarnish his myth among his millions of fans throughout the entire world."
In the same vein, they (and everyone in the major media) also ignored new reports surfacing just in the last two months that Bowie deflowered a 15-year-old groupie named Lori Mattix (and then brought in her 15-year-old gal pal Sable Starr to make it a threesome). Mattix said it was consensual: "I remember him looking like God and having me over a table. Who wouldn't want to lose their virginity to David Bowie?"
But at 15, in California, it was statutory rape. In her story, she went from Bowie directly to "dating" Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page.
Bowie was never pressed to defend himself or deny the story. But it adds to the litany of famous male entertainers who've exploited underage girls with their celebrity, from Roman Polanski to Bill Cosby to Woody Allen. While the secular news industry in New York and the social justice warriors in Hollywood pour outrage all over the predatory Catholic priests who abused children in this same era of sex and drugs and "revolution," the rockers and the filmmakers plowed their way through a polyester playground of high-school groupies exploiting their "star privilege."
Not every allegation -- even happy boasts of being sky-high and "special" and deflowered at 15 -- is true. But in our media culture, the sexual abuse of children is only offensive when undertaken by hypocritical men who have violated a vow of chastity and try to impose ancient commandments on their followers. Only allegations against priests are so offensive that they are reported even when the evidence is slight, and even when the accused is deceased.
David Bowie died to universal acclaim, even from a star-struck Vatican newspaper. No one's obituary would deviate from the celebration an art-rock "icon" can expect.
Matthew 7:13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Post 18 is more lenient. Not so horrific. I can’t believe a just Jesus and God would be so awful to burn so many.
Maybe that makes me a bad Christian, but I can’t believe that only the very few escape eternity in hell.
Make no mistake, God will judge, not me, not you. But the visible evidence to my eye is that he did not die in grace.
That said, while I did not personally like his music, not to my taste, he was a very talented musician.
Maybe that makes me a bad Christian, but I can’t believe that only the very few escape eternity in hell.
Perhaps you are right. It could be that I am interpreting it wrong. I do not think so; but I won’t be mad if God instructs me otherwise some day.
The question remains, though, did Bowie than do the work of God?
Also, on a slight tangent, God is a merciful God; but he is also a just one. If you don’t get pardoned, you get punished, whatever that punishment may be.
Reading it will obviously infer my own understanding. There’s no literal truth to it, or else there’d be no denominations. There are differences in beliefs and different doms though, so it’s very subjective.
Whatever one’s ideals of Christ are, he is love, compassion, and salvation. The next truth is, no man has the right to judge another’s heart or sins, that is for God.
I like his Drummer Boy singing with Bing Crosby, he clearly wasn’t ‘anti-God’ even in the 70’s. Heck, we can’t read minds, much less understand the gospels fully. Jews think all the goyim need to follow the noahide laws and you’re good enough off. Basically the 10 commandments.
It’s a conditional love though right? Love him and follow your particular church’s doctrine or else.
That’s what I don’t get about a couple freepers on him trying to damn him. He did that and sang Drummer Boy. He was clearly a good person. Powerful video, thank you.
And Christians don't. But you are correct that no one can read minds. For all we know, Hitler got saved at the last moment. But my money would go the other way.
Well see post 30, and see if you think that’s a sinful person worthy of damnation. I don’t know about the rest, but he did that and sang Drummer Boy and as far as we know was as good of a person as you or me and had a belief as much as you or me.
He did that when it was *NOT* cool. So I believe it was sincere.
The verse wasn’t meant to accuse or excuse Bowie, but to answer the virtuous pagan question. I have no idea about Bowie’s spiritual condition and, no, I would not consider him a virtuous pagan.
I have never liked him or his music. He was one weird person. His photos always gave me the creeps.
I have no evidence that he was a pagan at all, that’s a fairly serious accusation IMO.
I thought about posting something here but your post says all I was planning to say.
He was human. We are all flawed. His sins were no worse than my own, or anyone else’s.
I am of the opinion that if we didn’t say it to someone’s face while he is alive, we should keep our mouths shut after he’s dead.
Maybe its wrong, but it does make it possible to enjoy their music.
So what’s the difference between Bowie and self-proclaimed Christian, Alice Cooper?
Bowie was a private man, I don’t know what truly was in the man’s heart at the end.
The one thing I can say is that for the last 20+ years of his life, he seemed to be a devoted husband and family man, a far cry from his hedonistic younger days.
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