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Update: Cruz Did In Fact Disclose the Goldman Sachs Loan
Mediate ^ | 1/13/2016 | Josh Feldman

Posted on 01/14/2016 8:03:56 AM PST by conservativejoy

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To: RummyChick

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do


141 posted on 01/14/2016 12:13:43 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
We agree it was missing from the Form. It should have been there. Disclosure forms are used to show outside influence. The money came from loan against the assets they already had in the brokerage account.

Show outside influence right! And the loans came from a very questionable source, Goldman Sachs Wall Street bankers where his wife is a Director. No?

You missed the 2nd question:

At the time of the Goldman Sacks loans did Rafael publicly state where the money came from?

142 posted on 01/14/2016 12:28:03 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RummyChick

No matter how ya chop it up, this is a problem for Cruz.


143 posted on 01/14/2016 12:30:46 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The loan is against their own assets where they already had their brokerage account.

You think have a brokerage account where you already work is questionable? I don’t anyone at any company at her level doesn’t have such an account.

So if they sold those stocks, no questions. But if they borrow against the assets they already have, it is questionable?

Do you think they were trying to buy secrete influence over themselves?

You can continue to ignore the answer to your question. I’m done repeating it.


144 posted on 01/14/2016 12:34:00 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Update: Cruz Did In Fact Disclose the Goldman Sachs Loan

But I do like the title of this as it conveniently left out who he DID NOT disclose it to. That's almost slick.

145 posted on 01/14/2016 12:34:05 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: thackney
At the time of the Goldman Sacks loans did Rafael publicly state where the money came from including substantial loans from Goldman Sachs where his wife worked?

No he did not.

Do you think they were trying to buy secrete influence over themselves?

I have no idea what Rafael and his wife's specific motives were.

146 posted on 01/14/2016 12:38:12 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

They were borrowing from themselves. Goldman Sachs already held their assets.

If I borrow against my retirement account for my kids college tuition payments, the bank has not made special accommodations for me. The only one at risk with the loan is me. They already have the value of the loan.

The bank or Goldman Sachs is just paid to handle the transaction and paperwork.


147 posted on 01/14/2016 12:50:40 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Ah yes, Goldman Sacks. The folks who are completely void of common morals and ethics. Lots of regular folks think their bunch of bloodsuckers would sell out their own mother. No joke.

You should read some history on GS.


148 posted on 01/14/2016 1:43:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: conservativejoy

What is an Anagin Loan?


149 posted on 01/14/2016 2:19:43 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: BigEdLB

MARGIN LOAN

A margin loan lets you borrow money to invest and uses your shares or managed funds as security.
It can help you increase your returns but it can also magnify your losses. Margin loans are
for dedicated investors who actively monitor and manage their investments.


150 posted on 01/14/2016 2:24:41 PM PST by deport
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To: BigEdLB

???


151 posted on 01/14/2016 2:26:57 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: deport

thanks. Sort of like a loan against your 401-k


152 posted on 01/14/2016 2:27:42 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: Mastador1

You and me both...


153 posted on 01/14/2016 2:41:38 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: sphinx; Greetings_Puny_Humans

‘Per a Cruz video clip, it was a loan against his own brokerage account at Goldman Sachs. So: a loan against his own assets, not a loan from Goldman Sachs.’

So his own equity was at risk, and Goldman Sachs had no skin in the game? Well, even if he somehow hid his ‘loan-to-self’, to hide that is only to pretend to be a little more poor than you are. I could live with such a minor deception since people are unfairly harsh against people with money.

But any clerical error will be jumped on by the democrats and even by the ‘G’ OP [Godless Old Party of slanderers, hypocrites, backstabbers and phony Christians]. So better for Cruz to strengthen his armor now.


154 posted on 01/15/2016 4:44:44 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (1000 muslim migrant gang-rapists in Germany -- Trump helped trigger protests.)
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To: thackney

“If it was the case that they were not filed exactly as the FEC required, then we’ll amend the filings”..

Exactly. As Cruz did make the disclosure to another agency, I find it rather unbelievable that he’d be attempting to hide the loan from FEC. It was an oversight and he can amend the form. It’s as simple as that.


155 posted on 01/15/2016 4:55:45 AM PST by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: RummyChick

No.

There are secured loans and unsecured loans. Unsecured loans are were the funny business goes on with politicians. Kickbacks, payments are never made, etc.

Cruz’s loan was secured by his own assets. There was no real credit or risk involved for the lender.


156 posted on 01/15/2016 7:02:27 PM PST by DB
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To: RummyChick

Sorry for the spelling errors...


157 posted on 01/15/2016 7:05:15 PM PST by DB
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To: DB

That isn’t correct. He listed it as a margin loan. If there was no risk, there wouldn’t be such a thing as margin calls. And with a day like today, you can bet there were plenty of margin calls.

Plenty of accounts can blow up on margin.


158 posted on 01/15/2016 7:15:17 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

No risk to the lender is what I said.


159 posted on 01/15/2016 7:18:25 PM PST by DB
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To: conservativejoy

Why do you always have to lie? Or do you have reading comprehension issues?

Joe Scarborough said Trump was bigger than Reagan.

Trump did not say that.


160 posted on 01/15/2016 7:21:35 PM PST by dforest
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