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UNBELIEVABLE Update - Oregon "Bundy Militia" Standoff - The Federal Prosecutor...
CTH ^ | January 4, 2016 | by sundance

Posted on 01/04/2016 3:52:15 PM PST by combat_boots

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To: MileHi
Ah, so he could do the right thing without jeopardy to his paycheck/retirement. And he did when he said they were over charged.

You may well be right on the reason for the reduced sentence.

141 posted on 01/04/2016 6:10:01 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: semimojo; combat_boots

I think it would be wise for you semimjo to go over to the conservativetreehouse website and read the entire case timeline because if the facts there are true then this case is truly one of miscarriage of justice. It really does stink to HIGH heaven.
It’s about the land and when the Hammonds were re-sentenced they were ordered to give the Gov’t first right to buy it and being in prison they will likely need to sell it. The Gov’t as they usually do will take a law and twist the words to fit there agenda as in charging them under a terrorist statute.
Also, Judges despise being (case)appealed. With this Judge retiring it opened the door for further unabated prosecution. The Judge took the easy way out by going along with the feds and then mitigating the case by reducing the sentences. He tried to have his cake and eat it too. Allegedly, the Judge didn’t allow certain favorable evidence into the trial so the jury could not make a good informed decision of course prosecutors are always straight up/s. If you don’t think that the attorneys, prosecutors and Judges don’t go out for lunch together you’re not living in the real world. In my line of work although I am not one of the aforementioned I’ve seen it and many other things.


142 posted on 01/04/2016 6:10:17 PM PST by crager (I went to look for myself and if I happen to return while I'm gone tell me to wait.)
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To: Bratch

Holy cow! Amanda Marshall is a total loon.


143 posted on 01/04/2016 6:11:41 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Bratch

Just as an aside, the man she replaced as Attorney General, Dwight Holton, is the brother-in-law of Tim Kaine, former senator from Virginia. His father, Linwood Holton, was the first post-reconstruction republican governor of Virginia.

Kaine, of course, was Democrat Party Chair in the early part of the Obama administration.


144 posted on 01/04/2016 6:12:05 PM PST by Darnright (When a system acts illegally, its dictates are not the law of the land, they are the law of force)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Go hump another leg, troll.

Your picture of Justice Kennedy needs dusting. You better see to it.

145 posted on 01/04/2016 6:12:52 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Las Vegas Ron
And you know that how?

Anecdotally. Do you think the OJ jury objected to the murder laws?

146 posted on 01/04/2016 6:14:25 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
Jurys don't generally nullify because they don't like the law but because they don't like the application of the law in a particular case.

They might do for either reason. Do you have stats?

Besides, it isn't about "defying the will", which jury nullification may or may not do, it's about defying the written law which jury nullification doesn't.

What does that mean? If a jury fails to convict because they deem the law unjust, they defy both the will of the legislative body and the written law.

Without getting into the weeds, this case is a travesty, and IMHO you are part of the problem if you don't see that.

147 posted on 01/04/2016 6:14:41 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: combat_boots; Grampa Dave; Issaquahking

“. At that hearing, U.S. Chief District Judge Ann Aiken ordered the pair to finish”

Don’t I remember that judge for some other really bad decisions???

...oh, yes,...”However, she determined the interests of the fish outweighed those of the farmers.”
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2001/07/01/klamath-falls-bucket-brigade-protests-water-shutoff

Klamath Falls, 2001

These poor Hammond guys really drew the short straw on this deal!


148 posted on 01/04/2016 6:15:24 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: kiryandil
While Aamon Bundy is not an effective spokesman, what he says is fact. This video made last summer shows FED crews deliberately lighting fires that burned homes and barns and killed cattle. They don't even try to hide or disguise their actions. Of course, the evidence was not allowed at the second Hammond trial and the media isn't interested.
149 posted on 01/04/2016 6:15:26 PM PST by Baynative (Liberty lost is a high price to pay for the experiment of socialism.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Y A W N


150 posted on 01/04/2016 6:16:31 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: TigersEye
Holy cow! Amanda Marshall is a total loon.

Yep, and think about how many other Obama appointees like her are out there currently reviewing their case files spring loaded to act on precedent.

151 posted on 01/04/2016 6:16:39 PM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: semimojo
Anecdotally. Do you think the OJ jury objected to the murder laws?

You are conflating what is universally noted as being wrong, murder, with unconstitutional federal powers and laws of property.

I would expect educated people to know the difference.....the OJ jury not so much.

152 posted on 01/04/2016 6:21:27 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: crager; combat_boots
I think it would be wise for you semimjo to go over to the conservativetreehouse website and read the entire case timeline because if the facts there are true then this case is truly one of miscarriage of justice.

I'm not saying that I would have voted to convict had I been on the jury, but I don't think any of us can have a very valid opinion without hearing all the evidence. I damn sure wouldn't rely only on the Conservative Treehouse account (or the fed's either).

If there was misconduct then it's the Hammonds's attorney's responsibility to bring that forward.

The fact is a jury found them guilty and I think those blaming the prosecutor and the courts for upholding the law are misguided.

153 posted on 01/04/2016 6:24:28 PM PST by semimojo
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You are conflating what is universally noted as being wrong, murder, with unconstitutional federal powers and laws of property.

You asked about jury nullification. Do you think it's only the tool of constitutionally literate patriots?

154 posted on 01/04/2016 6:26:30 PM PST by semimojo
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To: AuntB

Dang. Good catch.

These people are, well, evil I guess.


155 posted on 01/04/2016 6:29:04 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Bratch

In a manly pantsuit no less... let me guess... pink swastika?


156 posted on 01/04/2016 6:29:15 PM PST by piasa
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To: MileHi

Hi!!! Good to see you. I can’t remember where my car keys are, but I remember a judge from 15 years ago..go figure!


157 posted on 01/04/2016 6:32:12 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: laplata

Thank you.


158 posted on 01/04/2016 6:34:41 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: MileHi
What does that mean? If a jury fails to convict because they deem the law unjust, they defy both the will of the legislative body and the written law.

Regardless of the jury's motivation when they nullify they say "not guilty". They don't have the option to say "guilty, but we don't want to do anything about it because we think it's a flawed law". That's the difference.

159 posted on 01/04/2016 6:34:47 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
If there was misconduct then it's the Hammonds's attorney's responsibility to bring that forward.

Great idea! Wow, it's that easy.

Hey, how fat is your wallet? Because FedGov has a never ending supply of lawyers. And you, apparently gleefully, fund them against folks like these.

160 posted on 01/04/2016 6:35:18 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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