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106 People Indicted in Waco Biker Brawl That Killed Nine (Waco)
NBC ^ | November 10, 2015 | M. Alex Johnson

Posted on 11/10/2015 6:51:16 PM PST by don-o

A Texas grand jury returned indictments Tuesday against 106 of the 177 people who were arrested after a shootout between cops and members of two motorcycle clubs left nine people dead at a Waco restaurant in May.

The McLennan County grand jury returned true bills accusing the 106 suspects of engaging in organized criminal activity, with the underlying offenses being murder and aggravated assault, District Attorney Abel Reyna said Tuesday night in Waco.

Charges against the 71 other suspects weren't presented Tuesday but will be "at a later time," Reyna said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: biker; gangs; texas; waco; wacobikers
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To: AMDG&BVMH
-- The members of the clubs I mentioned, with apparently less gang affiliation, hopefully will be "no billed" rather than just have the six months expire. --

That's effectively the same thing. The only difference is which side moves the court to drop bond and bond conditions.

81 posted on 11/11/2015 1:25:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: don-o

That should keep the criminal courts busy there.


82 posted on 11/11/2015 1:32:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (Donald Trump : 'It will be wonderful. It will be glorious., You will be amazed, Just wait"')
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To: AMDG&BVMH; E. Pluribus Unum; All

With 4 groups plus others not yet indicted, prosecution may be playing for turning states evidence, immunity, or other mechanisms to make their cases against the worst offenders. I hate to judge by appearances, but after looking at the mug shots of those indicted, I find it incredibly easy to believe that some of them are hardened criminals capable of almost anything. With so many killed, so many involved, and so many potential witnesses, this is going to be an incredibly difficult and time consuming case to process forensics, interviews, background checks, and everything else to establish truth and maybe even justice.


83 posted on 11/11/2015 1:44:27 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
but after looking at the mug shots of those indicted, I find it incredibly easy to believe that some of them are hardened criminals

Are you aware that 117 of the 177 have no criminal record? And that most of those with records have relatively minor offenses? Certainly, there are probably hardened criminals. But not 177 of them.

84 posted on 11/11/2015 1:51:16 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: gleeaikin

There’s no love lost in this situation either, the way it appears.

Gnarly bikers vs. mean Man. And the rubber stamping only amps this factor up.

Did a very large number of them have any idea that a rumble was set to go down. Color me a doubter. This was a venue and agenda which was not known for rumbles.


85 posted on 11/11/2015 1:53:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: don-o; All

I believed the ones shown were the first 106. THey are likely to have been the ones more likely to prove guilty of something. And I used the words “some of them” which I will stick with. “Some” could even be ten or less.


86 posted on 11/11/2015 1:58:14 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Cboldt

Clint Broden rocks.

Question: Does he have any recourse to file in another court due to the long delay in getting a ruling? Or can the court just sit silent on the matter?

I know of a challenge to probable cause for a mass arrest in New York that took almost ten years to resolve


87 posted on 11/11/2015 2:06:31 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: gleeaikin

forensic analysis of bullet trajectories should answer that.
= = =
I recall that the Govt. sniper rifles used at Waco/Karesh needed rebarreling (worn out, you know), and thus were not able to be matched to bullets found in the Waco compound.


88 posted on 11/11/2015 2:20:29 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: petercooper

Ted Bundy was normal looking, pal.


89 posted on 11/11/2015 2:25:22 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: don-o
-- Does he have any recourse to file in another court due to the long delay in getting a ruling? Or can the court just sit silent on the matter? --

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals is one of two "supreme" courts in Texas, the other one deals with civil/non-criminal issues. So, no, he has no higher court to turn to if this one sits on the gag order case.

He does have recourse to federal courts for his claim of civil rights violations, but I think that claim is premature at this point, because Clendennen's indictment has to play out, first. There can't be both a wrongful arrest and a conviction on the same arrest, so the path to conviction has to be exhausted before he can prevail on a claim of deprivation of rights or false arrest. Off the top of my head, I think he can and should file the claim while his criminal matter is pending, but he would also ask to have the action stalled until the criminal case plays out. I think that on the basis that he has to file in order to meet his statute of limitations on filing a claim.

He can file a similar "deprivation of rights" claim in Texas court too, based on Texas statute rather than on federal "1983" law.

90 posted on 11/11/2015 2:31:43 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: don-o; petercooper
Yep. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, Eagle Scout Richard Angelo, Craiglist killer Phillip Markoff, Dorthea Puente, John Wayne Gacy, etc. etc., were all very "normal" looking.

On the other hand, Albert Einstein looked downright wacky.

91 posted on 11/11/2015 2:34:10 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Did a cop accidentally jog “big bubba”’s elbow, causing him to spill a drink?


92 posted on 11/11/2015 2:51:44 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Now just a cotton pickin’ minit here. Let’s be fair. Mohamedans may wear identifying clothes and regular meet and commit criminal acts, but dammitall they’re praying to something or other while they’re doing it. That makes them a religion and not a gang.


93 posted on 11/11/2015 2:57:32 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wow... 106 cops got indicted for shooting the bikers???

That’s amazi... what...oh, wait...

Never mind...


94 posted on 11/11/2015 4:02:01 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dp0622
-- how the @@#$# does the RICO statute apply here? unless they are on tape discussing pushing narcotics, extortion, murder...but then that would be the police discussing those things. --

There doesn't have to be a "discussion" by the actors in a RICO action. All that has to be shown is that the perps acted in unison to achieve the same objective(s).

95 posted on 11/11/2015 6:35:48 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: rawcatslyentist
To generate revenue ...

I guess that's what happens when government takes on a business mindset. :^(

Oppression and force are the dangerous ways government generates revenue.

96 posted on 11/11/2015 6:45:53 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Cboldt; petercooper
" Yes, next time I'm involved in a violent biker brawl. --"

On the legal theory being pressed, there is no need to be involved. If you are associated with a group, and somebody else in that group commits a crime, then you are a criminal too.

Well said.

Pete ol' buddy, this is about the right of assembly, the right to free association. You have the right to stay as far away as you like from people who look and sometimes are scary. I have the right to associate with them.

You seem to be okay with depriving me of that right. How about if I advocated for forcing you to associate with scary people? I wouldn't because it's wrong, for the same reasons: we all have the right to free association.

97 posted on 11/11/2015 6:54:34 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Cboldt
Also, a person who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but who happens to act in a way which advances some object or purpose of a conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator.

Wow. What is Reyna thinking, do you suppose?

98 posted on 11/11/2015 6:57:32 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Cboldt

I mean, what is Reyna thinking in pursuing this, it seems so clear that he’s defying the law?


99 posted on 11/11/2015 6:58:38 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: don-o
Is Abel Reyna in some sort of delusional denial of reality? He surely must know what you have shared.

Exactly, don! It's puzzling.

100 posted on 11/11/2015 6:59:58 PM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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