Posted on 11/05/2015 5:04:44 AM PST by McGruff
Russia and Egypt on Thursday dismissed suggestions by Britain and the United States that a bomb was likely to have brought down a Metrojet flight packed with Russian vacationers coming home from an Egyptian resort, saying the claim was premature.
A spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov, insisted that aviation investigators were working on all possible theories as to why the Airbus A320-200 carrying 224 people crashed Saturday in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, killing everyone on board. He said naming just one possibility was mere speculation.
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Russian boots is what it will take.
You mean expressions Ike “ false flag”?
This ‘jump out in front’ speculation of a bomb, inside the plane of course, was to misdirect from the ManPad missiles hiltery and the halfrican gave the Lybian Rebels and which brought on Bengazi when nobama wanted them back to give to the Syrian rebels.
Nobama and hitlery are way out of their league dealing with Putin. He is now likely to publicize hard evidence of ISIS using missiles WE SUPPLIED.
At first ISIS claimed it was a missile. Even showed video. That turned out to be BS. That tells me they didn't know what really happened.
"A disinformation campaign aimed at Putin to undermine his public support in Russia on FR.
Dictators don't need public support in their countries. But their foreign propagandists do in order to limit opposition by other nations to the dictator's foreign endeavors.
They said they “downed” or “brought down” the plane. That could also mean a bomb on board. The time of detonation could have been coordinated.
Spetsnaz boots are there and the Assad opposition militias are losing key leaders at a high rate.... Very good intelligence and targeting
Putin will use the indigenous regional armies ( Syria and Iran) as the grunt boots ... Very smart on so many levels. He remembers the lessons of Afghanistan. The locals will support or tolerate their own arab and even Shia Muslim armies fighting as seculars, will turn against white Russians labeled by their religious leaders as invaders and crusaders
Disaster RIGHT after they reached cruising altitude sounds a lot like a barometric switch.
Metal fragments inside bodies indicates very high-velocity Event.
Of course you’re “tending to believe Russia” big-time Putinista jerk-o that you are.
Agreed about the local perceptions. The indigenous armies in Syria are problematic, however. They’ll need lots of Iranians.
Posted By: TRT NEWS October 31, 2015
Prague, Czech Republic - Russia is orchestrating, coordinating, and funding the ongoing invasion of European countries by Muslim, military-age males, the Czech Defense Minister shared with IDNES.cz on October 10th, 2015.
According to Martin Stropnicky, the Defense Minister for the Czech Republic, he was informed by the Hungarian Defense Minister Istvan Simicsko that Russia was financing the busing of military-age Islamic males across the borders of the Balkan nations.
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Speculation has been rife for some time now that Russian forces have been plotting a ground invasion to retake the former satellite states of the Soviet Union, and eventually capturing the European capitals.
The overwhelming of these nations' borders, social services, and law enforcement mechanisms would destabilize and weaken the internal security controls when Russian military units would make their move.
"The Russian Federation does not desire a unified and cohesive European Union," Stropnicky said in the interview. "I do not envision the current invasion ceasing anytime soon."
As the Russian Federation has modernized its military forces and transformed its military theory to a hybrid combination of special forces, infantry, and airpower, it has made impressive advances in its latest generation tank and fighter jet, both of which purportedly claim to be superior to American counterparts. ..."
Perhaps. But, to be more accurate, you could say it was done by Sunni, who may or may not be aligned with ISIS or may or may not be funded by ISIS.
There are two wars in Syria: a civil war and a religious war between Shia and Sunni.
Putin has entered the religious war on the side of the Shia, so all Sunni, regardless of where they stand on ISIS, now consider Russia to be the enemy.
"a recent investigation conducted by Novaya Gazeta, one of the few independent newspapers left in Russia, complicates this cozy tale of counterterrorist cooperation. Based on extensive fieldwork in one village in the North Caucasus, reporter Elena Milashina has concluded that the "Russian special services have controlled" the flow of jihadists into Syria, where they have lately joined up not only with ISIS but other radical Islamist factions.
In other words, Russian officials are adding to the ranks of terrorists which the Russian government has deemed a collective threat to the security and longevity of its dictatorial ally on the Mediterranean, Bashar al-Assad."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/23/russia-s-playing-a-double-game-with-islamic-terror0.html
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Understanding Provocation [Provokatsiya]
One of the most powerful tools the Kremlin has in its secret arsenal of Special War is provocation, what they call provokatsiya.
While Moscow cannot claim to have invented this technique, which has existed as long as there have been secret services, there's no doubt that Russians have perfected the art and taken it to a whole new level of sophistication and deviousness. At times, it can become a strategy all on its own (not always, mind you, with edifying results).
Provokatsiya simply means taking control of your enemies in secret and encouraging them to do things that discredit them and help you. You plant your own agents provocateurs and flip legitimate activists [in this case, dupe actual Jihadis -ETL], turning them to your side.
When you're dealing with extremists to start with, getting them to do crazy, self-defeating things isn't often difficult. In some cases, you simply create extremists and terrorists where they don't exist. This is causing problems in order to solve them, and since the Tsarist period, Russian intelligence has been known to do just that.
While this isn't a particularly nice technique, it works surprisingly well, particularly if you don't care about bloody and messy consequences. ..."
http://20committee.com/2014/03/29/understanding-provocation/
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In other words, it's like starting a fire, or pouring gasoline on a fire, in order to be the 'big hero', being first on the scene to put it out. Except in this case, you get to grab control over the buildings and town you helped 'saved' from the fire you helped to start.
Do a Google search for Sharm el-Sheikh airport and security and you’ll get pages and pages of experiences with corrupt and incompetent security.
Very easy to have a package placed in the baggage compartment. Very tempting with a planeload of 100’s of Russians and a A321-200 jet with the extra fuel tanks in the rear of the aircraft to toss that package in the rear baggage compartment for Admiral Ackbar.
The Sunnis in Iraq ( Iraq military not ISIS) and Egypt are with Putin
Putin has support of Sunnis who are wiling to back secular governments, not the extremists who want sharia and a caliphate
Russians are hinting at making contacts with “ patriots”in the Assad opposition , those who are fighting for Syria, not for sharia or a caliphate
That was my theory also but why would Russia want to dampen the bomb theory?
I heard that they have grounded their fleet of A321s but can’t find a web source yet.
We’ll find out the truth at some point but right now everything is speculation.
You are correct, Russia and Egypt dismissed PREMATURE SPECULATION and nothing more.
You make that statement based on Russian propaganda that gets posted at Free Republic.
Most definitely, the shia militias in Iraq are with Putin and Tehran. But the coalition govt of Iraq(shia, sunni, and kurds) is not.
The coalition is from Tehran to the shia militias in Baghdad, to the minority govt in Syria, to Russia, and all the way into Free Republic where many such as yourself are aligned with Putin and his propaganda machine and apparently Putin's propaganda machine sends thrill up and down your leg.
Isn’t there no-brainer technology to detect chemicals, residue,etc. from a bomb?
Egypt is easy, they don't want the economic hit from those cheap Sinai resorts losing tourists.
Perhaps Russia would like to Airbus to take the blame so they get paid from lawsuits. And get to sell more Tupolev airliners when their domestic airlines have to switchover to them over the Airbus.
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