Posted on 10/31/2015 2:35:11 PM PDT by Lorianne
A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai killing all 224 people on board, Egyptian officials have said.
The Airbus A-321 had just left the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg.
Wreckage was found in the Hasana area and bodies removed, along with the plane's "black box". An official described a "tragic scene" with bodies of victims still strapped to seats.
Egypt's prime minister said no "irregular" activities were to blame.
Sinai has an active militant network, and on Saturday afternoon, jihadis allied to the so-called Islamic State made a claim on social media that they brought down flight KGL9268.
But Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov told Interfax news agency that "such reports cannot be considered true". No evidence had been seen that indicated the plane was targeted, he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
23 minutes in the air at time of problem
31,000 feet
Sorry to see this happen.
MANPADS at 33,000 feet..?
Verrrrrry hard to believe.
Sharm El Sheikh airport has had awful security for a long time.
It’s a bomb.
so that means you think it wasn’t terrorist? Right? I know what you wrote down is some kind of weapon
The plane didn’t have enough time to reach 30,000 feet if it went down where it is shown.
Not that there couldn’t have been other failures. We don’t know yet.
I’ve been there, though many years ago. I can easily imagine how lax security is/was.
Would there be that many intact bodies and pieces of wreckage with a bomb (or missile)?
Does it not seem strange that very little evidence of fire is visible? At least in what few photos I’ve seen.
Eh, no, I do suspect something like 60% chance of terrorism, to snatch a pretty random number out of thin air.
If in fact the aircraft did achieve and hold an altitude of 33,000 feet then I am strongly dubious that the cause of the crash could have been a small MAN PORTABLE missile, like the SA-7 Grail, which is incredibly prolific.
Larger missile? Yes.
A hostile aircraft? Yes.
A bomb? Yes.
An on-board fight instigated by suicidal fundamentalists? Yes.
But the chances that an SA-7 (small, man portable) missile could have downed that aircraft at an altitude of 33,000 feet is less than 0.1%, since it has a service ceiling of 4.5 km.
The one and ONLY thing I'm saying is that there is no way with this baby.
It doesn’t take a very big bomb to cause a plane to come apart in flight. And there were bodies from the MH17 which was hit by the missile in Ukraine.
Gotcha. Thanks. Scary how many ways there are to take one down.
.01 percent is pretty slim :)
Yes, though in the BBC story it said one-half of the plane was damaged by fire (I think the back half). But we haven’t seen photos of such.
Plane full of Russians...and a few from Ukraine.
Very easy to bribe or even find a sympathetic baggage handler to toss a device into the cargo area.
My guess is they were hoping it would go off over the Med to make recovery more difficult, now it’s easier to identify the explosives they used and find out specifically who made the bomb.
But I bet the smuggler had to pay a couple of hundred Euros to get it through security.
Obama and Soros wouldn't mind, it's not their money.
Yikes. That doesn’t look like pilot error or equipment failure to me unless that fire happened on the ground after impact.
Anybody have expertise in this area?
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