Posted on 10/26/2015 7:11:53 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
The woman who crashed into a crowd at Oklahoma State University's homecoming parade, killing four people and injuring dozens more, was held on $1 million bond Monday — as her father acknowledged that "she might have underlying [mental health] problems."
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I did a search for Tulsa news since that was my sister’s source.
The dismissed from work charge was asked in a Q&A with the police. They said that is a rumor that they will be looking into but that all of that will probably be kept quiet until the case is tried. Something like that.
I did not find the other statement. There is a ton of info at the Tulsa TV station sites and at the Tulsa World site.
Yeah, I can’t really imagine anything that would make me want to say it’s okay, I understand.
But we’ll see what happened.
Thank you. You’re right. There is a lot of good information there.
“Mentally ill does not mean violent or dangerous.”
The act this woman committed was in fact violent and dangerous.
Obviously. That does not mean, however, that every mentally ill person will do so.
Here is the arrest affidavit for you:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/287112141/Arrest-affidavit-for-Adacia-Chambers#scribd
“She might have underlying [mental health] problems.”
Yes, she might.
And the Pope might be Catholic.
Ya never know.
Remember the Colorado theater shooter did that whole blank stare mental health claim, too. It didn’t work for him. I guess using a car as your weapon gives you some advantage in a mass murder.
If her toxicology comes out clean I am leaning to the idea that she did it on purpose and not with a mental illness excuse but with a depraved heart.
She has a sharp attorney. I wonder if she is paying for him or if the state is paying.
I think people are desperate for what they think is empowerment. “Empowerment” brings them a sense of self-esteem. It’s gotten so bad and so pathetic that if you pass another vehicle on the freeway, the driver feels disrespected and marginalized. Calling it “road rage” only tells us what it is but there is also the part that tells us “how it works”, and we don’t hear too much about that. No, they’re not mentally ill, they’re just flaming assholes...But where can they go to get the ‘help’ they so desperately need?
Shocking, isn’t it! She sure doesn’t look to fit the mold and then Boom. It’s just more than we can possibly wrap our head around.
Lord, have mercy.
You didn’t have it easy. Your tag line explains a lot. How did you manage to turn out to be one more wonderful freeper? Glad you’re here among the troops.
LOL!
We were ready for a little levity around here, after this heavy thread. :)
What a sweet thing to say.
I learned a long time ago that my problems are my fault and other people’s problems are their fault. I also got enough of an up close view of substance abuse to know I wanted nothing to do with it. But still, I give no blame to my parents for anything. They did the best they could and I love them in spite of their (and my) imperfections.
Too much of the focus of “treatment” is on trying to not feel guilty while you figure out someone/something else to blame. Better to address the bad behavior as your own sin, repent, and work hard to learn how to be thankful in every situation. Happiness is a choice. There is much joy in the grace of God.
I want to see the toxicology report. I’m betting on cocaine or extasy
You dodged a bullet that’s for sure.
Speaking in general, I think we all agree that for healthy people, happiness is a choice.
I do have sympathy for unhealthy people whose occasionally unexplained pain is not so visible, or even quite recognized by others.
How the mentally disturbed or severely depressed deal with something, that even they don’t understand, has a multitude of scenarios that will play out.
We can kind of justify being harder on and expecting more from healthy, stronger people. (I’m still speaking in general.)
This case, however, freaks me out. I lean toward a clean toxicology report, based upon the shock of boyfriend and dad, and even the cops description of the non responsiveness.
A clean report and that non-responsiveness means insanity. I do believe it exists and can defy chances for healing through the faith alone. Some people carry very hard crosses, so naturally as a mother, you say what if she were my poor child.
As an observer in a civilized society, however, we can be rigid and consider the effect here of a mass killer, and not sympathize so much with the cause of such a deeply troubled daughter to do something like this.
This girl is both. She is a mass killer and yet she is so insane she is devoid of feeling for herself or anybody else.
She still had not asked even to see anyone, of her family or boyfriend. Is that catatonic, or what. Psyche ward in prison lay ahead, I think.
I don’t think a clean report means insanity. I think it likely means just plain evil, at least at the moment the decision to plow into the crowd was made. It happens. Look at the guy that shot up the theater in Colorado. He tried that blank look insanity defense, too. I think hers is no more credible than his was. If she was not drugged, she has that depraved heart thing going on.
I felt very sorry for the Dad. He was a sweetheart and said he didn’t know what he should do. It is not his fault or the mother’s fault no matter how imperfect they may have been. There is one person to blame and that is the driver. She either made a foolish choice to get high or she made a foolish choice to be a mass murderer.
Mental illness exists in a much more limited way that the industry would have you believe. It has become the go to criminal defense. Also it is a handy thing if you want to sit on your butt and collect disability checks.
As for her previous treatment, the report said she was hospitalized for 2 weeks. That makes me wonder if she has been previously arrested and got that treatment as a diversion. Then there was another event where she was not hospitalized. They said she was given drugs during the first treatment.
The disbelief of the boyfriend means nothing. He is the boyfriend. He probably knows more than he is saying. The dad may truly not know anything. No one likes to face these things.
People who jump first to sympathy usually have not been close to anyone in a similar situation. When you see it you see just how much they are choosing it. Just as criminals are always innocent, substance abusers never choose it — only they really do. As for the mentally ill, sometimes it is a chemical thing or a physical thing in some way. LOTS of times it is simply a choice to be crazy. They enjoy shocking people for sport.
A lot more problems people have are about their sin nature than they care to admit. They do not want to be accountable when they can have the whole world feeling sorry for their jerk ways.
BTW, I don’t see it as I dodged a bullet. It wasn’t a bullet. It wasn’t about me. It was about my mother. She didn’t do it at anyone and it buys no one an excuse for their own bad behavior. Whatever bad choices I made I made because I was born a sinner, not because my mother was born a sinner.
Ooooooh, she’s a Christian.
In Oklahoma the accused drove around a police barricade. Her driving around the police barricade is eluding the police as the police barricades are placed to stop people from entering an area.
The only difference is that in Texas the police had stopped the accused just prior to his driving around a barricade, but is that enough of a difference to go from Second Degree Murder to Capital Murder?
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