Posted on 10/21/2015 7:34:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Surveying the populous field of GOP candidates this week, it might seem far-fetched to imagine Jeb Bush as the party’s nominee at this time next year. Since throwing his hat in the ring for the presidency in mid-June, the stalwart Bush hasn’t found a footing in the Republican race. He stumbled awkwardly through Sunday’s interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper and is stuck in fifth place in polls continually dominated by the inexplicable Donald Trump—who on Monday became the longest-lasting “fad” candidate since at least 2004. But before we get too far afield on speculation that Trump will seize the party’s nomination, and before we write off as wishful thinking his super PAC strategist’s argument for why Jeb’s still the one to beat, it’s instructive to remember one key point: Republicans are the conservative party, which is more than just a political affiliation—it’s also a perennial mind-set that applies to whom they choose to top their tickets.
Just over a half-century ago, as the Republican Party convened in San Francisco’s Cow Palace to determine its 1964 presidential nominee, the GOP faithful divided viciously over two potential standard-bearers. The first was the Republican establishment candidate, New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, a moderate. The second was Barry Goldwater, the senator from Arizona, a conservative firebrand who had charged up an increasingly large and vocal conservative wing of the party with his clarion call, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” After an impassioned convention floor battle, Goldwater emerged as the party’s nominee and marched on to the campaign trail against incumbent President Lyndon B. Johnson. Goldwater’s campaign slogan: “In Your Heart You Know He’s Right.”
Maybe. But on Election Day, voters went “All the Way with LBJ,” who pulled a landslide 61 percent of the popular vote
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A. The writer appears to be completely ignorant of why Goldwater lost—and why the margin was so large. There are several factors unique to that election—among them the deliberate sabotage by the Rockefeller wing of the party; the honey-moon allowed LBJ, because of the Kennedy assassination; and the false perception that LBJ was a “conservative,” which was deliberately promoted. Another was the war scare, because Goldwater favored a more aggressive foreign policy than LBJ (or Trump, for that matter).
B. Whether one likes Trump or not, Jeb Bush is virtually irrelevant. The ease with which Trump reduced Bush to a fifth-string factor, says more about Bush’s basic inadequacy, than about Trump’s skill. (Note, it was not Trump’s skill, just his presence, that caused Bush to also drop below several other candidates, when people began to look more critically at the former Florida Governor.)
Correct, as EDINVA pointed out in post #6.
“I think Hillary is tipping her hand, that Democrats will cross over to vote for weakest most liberal Republican and that she has access to the vote-counting apparatus to ensure the Clintonistas will get the correct outcome.”
^^THIS^^
I think that most Republicans are forgetting one very important fact. The Republican nominee won’t be selected by Republican voters. Because of the lax party registration/voting requirements, the Republican nominee will be chosen by large numbers of cross-over Democrat voters looking to give us the most distasteful candidate. Last time it was Romney. This time it will be Bush. There is no defense against this strategy.
The Trump Poll Numbers Lie: History says the GOP will still bank on Bush.
Politico ^ | 10/21/2015 | MARK K. UPDEGROVE
Propagandico still backs Jeb! Go figure!
Trump will be doing the same. And that dirty bastard isn't just Hillary. It will be -- exactly like it was back in '64 when the conservatives spurned Nellie Rockefeller, liberal GOP icon -- the GOPe as well. They will be Hillary's biggest supporters if the Republican nominee is Trump or Cruz (obviously it won't be Cruz).
The GOPe will only give its usual tepid "we'll pretend to try but we don't really care if we lose" support to the R candidate if it's an establishment milquetoast like Jebbie (just as it did to Romney, McCain, Dole...).
So f**k the establishment and Go Trump!
Mark K. Updegrove (Born August 25, 1961)
- Mark K. Updegrove was "3 years old" when Barry Goldwater lost to LBJ.
- Mark K. Updegrove is Director of the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum.
Mark should stay put in the past!
I wouldn't put it past the people who invented "Obama" to attempt a do-over.
FNC and FBC is all in on trying to cut Trump with 1000 paper cuts.
This meme was all over the last two days.
Yes, also they dropped the “Daisy” ad on him two years after the Cuban Missile crisis still fresh in everyone’s mind.
I trade in the markets. That is my living.
I see some serious, serious market declines coming before election time. We are talking 50% decline.
It that comes to pass Trump is a lock for the presidency. 100% guaranteed!
And do you see serious recovery if Trump is elected :)?
And from Goldwater’s legacy was born Ronald Reagan who launched his political rise by making the “Time for Choosing” speech in support of Goldwater. But hey, in revisionist GOPe land Regan was a moderate who we all know the GOPe wholeheartedly supported in his every endeavor.
Bush III is dead! Trump may not get the nod—but is sure as H*ll will it not be Bush III (Si, Es Loco!). Lots of good people are running on the GOP side but that doesn’t include Jeb Bush. Remember—Trump is a businessman and well organized—he hires the right people to do the job—people who know what to do. He has great instincts—as seen in his poll numbers. Everyone else looks like his warm-up band—Trump is the Main Event. The Trump/Hillary or Trump/Biden Debates will be great TV—Up there with the Nixon/Kennedy TV debates—and just as important.
Johnson would never have been president if he had not stolen the senatorial election in Texas! He was the consummate racist, he opposed the civil rights amendment until he saw how it could be used to enslave republican blacks to the democrat party through base emotional giveaways from republican workers pockets!
Exactly rght...Nixon was gonna run again in 64, but knew that Johnson would get the “sympathy” vote and sat it out. He was right.
The eGOP will NOT get my vote. Trump will, but no eGOP anointment will.
Back then, the media had most voters’ brains in jars stacked neatly in the basement, to be manipulated at a whim via the “hidden persuaders”. There was no other outlet of information.
History has never seen the GOP base so utterly disgusted as having been REPEATEDLY misled by the GOP candidates and leadership regarding their opposition, or lack thereof, to the Marxist/ Socialist Democrats.
The GOP formerly was largely honest. Now they have shown themselves to be a pack of liars and socialists . . . just like the Democrats. So I don’t think prior history applies this time around.
Here is the thing.
We have gotten screwed by Republicans for the last ten years where they reneged on everything they campaigned on.
We have gotten screwed by democrats where they just want to take everything.
I see absolutely no downside to Trump. His message is very can do and he has a huge track record in business.
We may be pleasantly surprised! We just can’t lose. And if he ends up screwing us, it will be no different then having a republicrat!!!
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