Jeb Bush: Early Intervention For Mental Illness Key To Ending Gun Violence [Incl. Crazed Veterans]

BuzzFeed ^ | Oct 12, 2015 | Andrew Kaczynski, Ilan Ben-Meir

[familyop]

"And people that live in isolation, they go on the internet, they live their lives there, they get deeply disturbed, and then they get worse, and they commit these atrocious acts — there should be some intervention earlier."

“And people that live in isolation, they go on the internet, they live their lives there, they get deeply disturbed, and then they get worse, and they commit these atrocious acts — there should be some intervention earlier.”

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush says the way to address mass shootings in the United States involves early intervention for people with mental health issues.

“We can lessen it,” Bush told Iowa WHOTV’s The Insiders in an interview that aired this weekend.

“And we need to look at: What are the common denominators of these very public mass murders where people then commit suicide? And I think the one common denominator that’s pretty clear is, there’s a huge mental health challenge in our country,” continued Bush.

The Republican presidential candidate singled out those who live in isolation on the Internet as one area where people can get deeply disturbed.

“And people that live in isolation, they go on the internet, they live their lives there, they get deeply disturbed, and then they get worse, and they commit these atrocious acts — there should be some intervention earlier. If people have deep mental health challenges, they shouldn’t have access to purchase guns,” said Bush.

“I don’t know the facts about the case in Oregon, how this young man got his guns, but he clearly had mental health challenges. And the capturing system for mental health in this country is not as wide as it needs to be. And so I think states ought to look at this, to determine how you can protect privacy rights for people, but make sure that we get adequate information, so that people don’t fall through the cracks.”

Bush noted the perpetrator of the mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon had served briefly in the military before being discharged. The Wall Street Journal reported last week the shooter was discharged one month after a suicide attempt.

“Had there been intervention in this guy’s case — he was in the military, he was, I think he got, he was discharged dishonorably, I believe, I don’t know what the exact circumstance, but he left within months of his enlisting — there should be some way to identify these things,” said Bush.

“And we’re living in a world now where people can basically live their own lives, they can create their own realities through the Internet, and the despair that builds up is just tragic.”

Bush said funding of mental organizations across the country would be key.

“I think there is a role. There’s a clear role. And we – it’s hard to diagnose; it is a challenge – when I was governor, we expanded mental health services, but it was always a challenge. And the federal government is a partner in this. Medicaid is not the place to deal with this challenge; it’s the direct funding of mental health community organizations across the country.”

[Zathras]

I’m beginning to think Jebbie is mentally ill.

[rrrod]

Carson touched on this too...slippery slope and caution is needed!

[Scrambler Bob]

If you are on the internet, no gun.

If you are not on the internet, you are a loner, social denier, etc., also no gun.

[PCPOET7]

I don’t like Jeb bush but on this issue he is right on target. the legal tools and services for the mentally ill are not available in a way that help is provided for those suffering from mental illness. what is needed are laws on the book so that when someone is ill that family can step in to take the person off the streets and when family is not there the state can intervene.

I suffer from bipolar it is known and documented. my illness most of the time is under control but if I were to get sick know one can step in till I am a danger to others or to myself. the expectation is on me to go get help. when your brain is not working right you cant expect the person to seek help that is the intervention that is needed.The way the laws are written some one that needs help probably wont get help till it is to late.

[familyop]

"What would be your alternative to weed out people who are set up to kill as many as they can and commit suicide, i.e., keep such people from having guns and/or prevent incidents like Roseburg?

I’m not asking for flames, I’m really interested in FR opinions."

That's a good question. First, remember that we will not "stop" all mass murders, domestic violence, etc., from happening. Such things will always happen. But on decreasing frequencies of such incidents,...

Reverse the laws and polices that caused so much fatherlessness through implementation of the divorce/cohabitation regime. The high-profile mass murderers of the past few years were products of separations and divorces. Prohibit feminism and leash the crooked lawyers and other judicial folks who've dishonestly received so much from yet another erroneous societal direction.

[from occupied ga]

What would be your alternative to weed out people who are set up to kill as many as they can and commit suicide, i.e., keep such people from having guns and/or prevent incidents like Roseburg?

It isn't possible to identify the half dozen of so people out of 300 million who are going to flip out during a year and is just a smokescreen to cover the government making wider classes of prohibited people. At most a few thousand people were killed in the 20th century by individual wackjobs. a hundred million were killed by overweaning government. Universal carry id the answer. What makes the world a dangerous place is government stealing rights. I'll take my chances on the individual head cases over a tyrannical police state that is every liberal's wet dream any day.

[familyop]

"Anyone who attempts suicide especially in the military should be put on a list prohibiting them access to buy or use guns."

Why more emphasis on people "in the military?" And what about depressed neurotics who are later cured?

"A step further could be to pass a psych test at the age of 18 to buy and keep a gun."

Wouldn't that require much more government spending and be conducive to even more mentally ill people being educated in psychology and judicial matters (re. having histories expunged or vacated)? Grease a few judicial palms and be declared healthy? There's also the common knowledge that the abnormalities of many in psych. and soc. departments don't go unnoticed by students of technologies in universities.

The high-profile mass murderers of recent years were sons of separations and divorces. What about that? Were Lanza's and Harper's divorcing mothers competent in purchasing firearms for their sons?

Of the mothers of the mass murderers, one was educated as a librarian and sought work in public education (and somewhat wealthy from a former marriage). The other was reported to be a nurse. And because they purchased the firearms for their sons, mental tests for their sons would probably not have prevented the murders committed by them. There are also weapons other than firearms that have been used to commit mass murders.

[familyop]

Another one of the mass murderers, by the way, was a neuroscience PhD. candidate whose well-to-do parents reportedly lived separately. He had no criminal history. He was not adjudicated as being incompetent, although he had seen a university “psychiatrist.” He was probably not a candidate for being labeled by the system, because he had high class (see not a common, ordinary houn’ dawg, Elvis approved).

[GladesGuru]

Samuel Clements, a noted observer of that time, noted that in a Western mining town populated by miners, merchants, barkeepers ad prostitutes, crime was one quarter of a comparable size long settled town back east.

He attributed this happy state of affairs to the fact that everyone carried a gun.

As Heinlein said, ...”an armed society is a peaceful society”.

[ex91B10]

Weeds out the ka-ray-zees and good citizens keep their guns.

Oh really...you'd trust a govt or ngo lackey to decide who the "ka-ray-zees" are?

[ex91B10]

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