Ted Cruz says Donald Trump won't be Republican nominee

washington times ^ | 10/8/2015 | Seth McLaughlin

[BlackFemaleArmyColonel]

Sen. Ted Cruz said Thursday that he doesn’t think that Donald Trump will capture the 2016 GOP presidential nomination and predicted that it is only a matter of time before most of the New York billionaire’s supporters will move into his camp. During an appearance on WABC-AM Radio, host Rita Cosby asked Mr. Cruz whether he would eventually move past Mr. Trump based on his conservative principles, and the Texas Republcian said “I think that’s right.” “In time, I don’t believe Donald is going to be the nominee, and I think in time the lion’s share of his supporters end up with us,” Mr. Cruz said. Mr. Trump has tangled with most of the candidates running for the Republican presidential nomination and has touted how some of his rivals have sunk in the polls after attacking him. But he has not traded barbs with Mr. Cruz, who has been Mr. Trump’s biggest ally in the crowded GOP field. In the WABC-AM interview, Mr. Cruz continued to praise Mr. Trump, saying he liked and respected “Donald.” Mr. Cruz said Mr. Trump has boosted his candidacy and his chance of becoming the party’s standard-bearer. “I think his involvement has been tremendously helpful to my campaign because it has framed the central question of the primary as: Who will stand up to Washington?” Mr. Cruz said. “And if that’s the central question, the natural next question, that any voter will ask is okay, well who actually has stood up to Washington? Who has a record in that regard?” The Cruz campaign also announced Thursday that he will report raising $12.2 million over the last three months — exceeding the hauls of fellow Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida, who plans to report $6 million, and Rand Paul of Kentucky, who raised $2.5 million.

[editor-surveyor]

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Trump’s negatives have continued to increase. The more he talks, the higher they go.

Keep on talking Donnie!

[editor-surveyor]

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That is because your ‘support’ for Trump is for his liberalism.
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[DoughtyOne]

Folks can disagree with me if they like. It won't make much difference.

I would say you have pretty much nailed it Doughty.

I agree.  I do so laughingly, because I take that as a good natured slam.

Look, I don't think Trump is going to drop out, so my thoughts on this will probably never get a true test.

If he does drop out, my thoughts here won't have influenced it.

If he does drop out and Cruz picks up every voter from Trump, nobody would be happier than me.

If he does drop out and Cruz deosn't pick up his votes, it won't cause me a lot of joy.

I'm trying to be a realist here.  This is how I see it, and I would hope that Cruz's team could understand it, because in life you sometimes get what you asked for, and it doesn't turn out to be the great idea you thought it was in the first place.

I am reminded of the times in literature, plays, and movies where someone makes a bargain with the devil.  I'll do this if only...

Tell me my cancer won't come back and I'll do "X".  The person does "X" and sure enough he never battles cander again.  Two days later he dies of a heart attack.

Cruz wants the nomination so he focuses on Trump dropping out.  If only Trump would drop out.

Trump drops out, his support scatters to the four winds.  Democrats, Independents, and moderate Republicans vote for Fiorina.  Cruz comes a distant straggler...

If Trump had stayed in, he would have gotten at least part of our agenda implemented for us.  Instead, we get nothing.

If Cruz winds up being Trump's V.P. pick, I would consider Cruz's service to the nation to be invaluable.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you Guenevere. I agree with your thoughts there.

[DoughtyOne]

[demshateGod]

Hillary/ Bernnie will lose Iowa, Michigan, Virginia, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, and NM. That’s 269. Cruz has the advantage because he’s putting together a great grass roots team who will work diligently for him because they believe in him. I can see Cruz winning Oh, Pa, Wi, and Fl based on ground game.

[demshateGod]

This is really something conservatives need to figure out. The AK (Islamist) party in Turkey figured it out. They embedded themselves in the big, rapidly growing cities and became the friends and families of the people. The left did the same thing here. The Kemalists in Turkey went into the working class neighborhoods and tried to transform all the people, not bothering to work within the existing culture: telling women they were stupid for wearing headscarves and being stay-at-home moms. The Kemalists set up programs the people didn’t really want while AK party leaders were bringing groceries to families with no food.

While Republicans were aligning themselves with big developers who wanted to raze entire city blocks for new condos, Leftist activists were working directly with the people to save their homes. See Alinsky and Back of the Yards, Chicago.

[DaveyB]

The part of the Saul/Paul experience I am addressing is the instant change. Saul/Paul did experience that. It wasn't a slow process over time. It wasn't described at Saul/Paul having that experience on the road to Damascus, and then studying for years. No, he was changed in an instant.

Paul's regeneration happened over a couple of days it was not instantaneous. After the encounter on the road to Damascus, Luke records (Acts 9:17) Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Being filled with the Spirit is part of conversion, so Paul's conversion was not in an instant but over a short period of time. Yet after his conversion there was a period of proof before he was accepted by James and the rest of the Apostles. I hope Donald's conversion is real and lasting, but I also think it necessary and prudent to let time and action not campaigning reveal the fruit of a changed man and new philosophy.

[Duchess47]

Sweetheart, I’ve mostly stayed off these threads lately because I’m sick of being insulted by Cruz supporters and having lies about Trump thrown around with abandon.

Cruz is a disruptive, arrogant, dishonest politician, fully supported by big donors. Go to his website, tedcruz.org and show me one position he has posted. NADA. Lots of pleas for money, oh, and co-opted Trump’s 80’s style trucker hat but no position papers. Lots on his record, none of which shows me he can or will stop illegal immigration, fix the economy, increase jobs. Doesn’t look like he has any experience there. His Senate record says he won’t.

Go to DonaldJTrump.com, you will see positions posted on immigration, second ammendment and taxes. These are not new positions, these are well thought out positions stating his beliefs since at least 2000. I do know Trump understands the economy, I do know he hires experts to do the jobs that need to be done.

If Trump is your definition of liberalism, you need a new dictionary.

[DoughtyOne]

The change happened in an instant.

The anointing would not have been possible if that were not true.

He was so moved by that single experience that his life’s work flipped as a result of it.

It didn’t flip over a matter of minutes, hours, days, months, or years.

As soon as the experience occurred, Saul was a changed man.

[SamAdams76]

Bump to your reply. I won't go that far on Cruz but you make some valid points and Cruz has been very weak on providing specifics and he rarely gives a press conference (or maybe they are not covered like Trump's are). I do understand he's a sitting senator so may not have as much time on his hands to do that.

On the other hand, Trump has given numerous in-depth interviews and it seems everyday he has a rally or press conference of some type (and he had a busy business life as well). Trump has given detailed positions on overhauling our tax system, second amendment rights and immigration reform - with many more position papers on the way. This is way more than any other candidate out there - yet they accuse Trump of not having details!

Also, and I know this will rub many the wrong way, Trump is more prepared to be president today than Ronald Reagan was in 1980. Trump has enormous business and international experience (where many of his business deals are done) and has a complete understanding of what is broken with America. He also has access to a large amount of talent to bring into his administration - not another bunch of politicians.

One negative thing I'll say about Reagan was that he did not always surround himself with the best people. Even Nancy said that. And in the end, some of those people did him wrong.

[Duchess47]

Thanks. You say it so much better and a lot more gracious than I do. :)

[HiTech RedNeck]

Until grand old E-S is sitting in a corner alone with fingers in ears saying la la we can’t hear you.

[DaveyB]

There is no biblical attribution parallel to “God is love.” People with man centered religion who are proud of holiness rather than accepting it as God’s manner, tend to overlook this.

Man made religion tends to look at God as they wish He was rather than how He reveals Himself. They overlook His holiness justice and mercy for a desire to be personally loved. But God's love is expressed in the light of His eternal uncompromising justice. Even the Gospel has been corrupted by the sentimentalist hope in a false Christ. The "everlasting Gospel" that is revealed by the angle in heaven to be preached to those who dwell on earth is "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water." --Revelation 14:7 Some would find all that fear and judgement unloving, but I will worship God how he has revealed Himself in the Word and not how I wish he was.

Psalm 99:3 Let them praise Your great and awesome name -- He is holy.

Psalm 99:5 Exalt the LORD our God, And worship at His footstool -- He is holy.

Psalm 99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, And worship at His holy hill; For the LORD our God is holy.

Isaiah 5:16 And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.

1 Peter 1:15-16 ... but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

Revelation 3:7 " And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, ' These things says He who is holy,

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation,

Numbers 14:18 'The LORD is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation.

1 Thessalonians 4:6-7 because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness.

It is not the holiness of man that saves him, but the holiness of God alone. That holiness required sending Christ to impute to us His righteousness and to have our sins imputed to Him on the cross. In response we fear and love the God who first loved us by doing all that we can with the help of the Holy Spirit to live a holy God-pleasing life, including the abhorrence to sin.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The story is not specific to such a low level of detail and we could speculate till doomsday.

However the moment of truth, when it came, would have come when Paul understood Jesus as a quintessentially kind person that he had been madly persecuting because their manners were fundamentally incompatible. It was the duh, I could have had a V8 moment.

This kind of rejection still goes on in non Christian Jewish circles. What do you mean all our work, slaving over the scriptures and the traditions, to pin down God is in vain? That this character Jesus did everything necessary on our behalf and that God isn’t as simple as we made Him out to be?

Pride cannot coexist with love, is the bottom line. Love needs humility.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Once more you criticize what you call man made religion, OUT of man made religion.

If love did not crown every approach of God, we would be in the position of facing an aloof sphynx character. Aloof sphynx characters feed man made religion very well, because the men running it then claim to have the method to get along with the sphynx.

[austinaero]

“They’ve basically said they like what Trump has to say but they really don’t trust him because of his history of making promises then not following through on them.”

Did they give any examples of that behavior? Trump making promises and not following through on them?

[HiTech RedNeck]

If it were not for the ever-presence of love, there would be no salvational offer let alone salvation.

Would God make the First Commandment to be what it was, if it were a farcical proposition?

[austinaero]

“I’ve seen (and been on the receiving end of) some very ugly things, even very vile and profane things posted by FReepers who dislike whoever takes issue with Trump.”

Some of us who support Trump have received the same treatment from those who don’t support him.

We’re all grown ups.

[Cold Heat]

Trump does not fit the definition of a liberal so if someone says that they are wrong.

Trumps politics, most of which are currently written by staffers, are the same as most any northeastern republican at it’s core. It’s not a outwardly liberal position, but what is under the surface is “progressive”.

You can find some differences, but Rudy Giuliani and Trump could be considered on the same page. I note that Giuliani blew past the rest of the field for a while but faded in the primaries and withdrew. Supporters here on FR were purged for being liberals.......”oh the irony”

I liken him to Teddy Roosevelt in a lot of ways...Both wanted to clear the decks in Washington, both spoke with bravado.

But history tells us that Teddy led the Republican Party off the cliff of progressivism. He was elected to a second term but by this time Congress would not work with him as they had and like a onion, the layers peel back and expose the inside.

Well, all said, it is primary season and we all have our favorite horse. Ted Cruz is mine.

I can’t predict what Trump will be able to do when we get to the only poll that matters...

Assuming for just a second that he wins the vote, he still has to get the nomination, and assuming that, I will have a lot more data to make a judgment as to my actions when the time comes.

I would say the same thing about Cruz..Neither are very popular with the GOP.

But which one do you think would change their color like a gecko when they begin their term?

That is my major concern and it should be yours..

I would think that treating everything like a “deal” and artfully trying to make a good deal, would on it’s face involve numerous compromises with democrats.

Since he already shares many of the democrat positions as a result of being steeped in North Eastern Tea, he should have no problem with the dems, but I think conservatives will eventually have to turn on him and that is a mistake we don’t need to make again and again and again.