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Public Confirms that Motorcycle Profiling is a National Epidemic
motorcycleprofilingproject ^ | October 7th, 2015 | David "Double D" Devereaux

Posted on 10/08/2015 5:06:19 AM PDT by Elderberry

The National Motorcycle Profiling Survey that began October 1st is beginning to show some strong early trends confirming that motorcycle profiling is a prevalent and widespread problem. The survey is intended to provide a clearer picture of motorcycle profiling from a national perspective through a thorough and comprehensive series of specific and detailed questions. Although there have only been approximately 1,400 surveyed in the first couple of days, some trends are so strong that they are worth talking about now.

84.52% of motorcyclists report riding a motorcycle places them under a higher level of scrutiny from law enforcement and business owners. Motorcyclists feel that they are separated from their fellow Americans. Importantly, this is not just a club issue. 41.48% of those surveyed were independent riders being stopped due to their VFW, Legion Rider, and ABATE patches.

53.79% of those surveyed have witnessed police presence or investigations at planned and publicized motorcycle gatherings. This is particularly disconcerting considering these scenarios involve law enforcement stereotyping of the entire community, not a specific club for specific reasons. In nearly 45% of these cases police were actively gathering intelligence and taking photos of everyone coming and going. These events are social, charitable, and political in nature. This type of harassment represents beeline discrimination based on stereotyping and is constitutionally impermissible.

80% of those surveyed believe that there is a police cover-up or intentional deception relating to the facts surrounding the Waco incident. This clearly demonstrates the level of distrust between the motorcycle community and law enforcement. Profiling directly isolates an entire class of Americans from the mainstream cutting them off from their fellow Americans.

85% surveyed also believe that the civil liberties of the 177 arrested are compromised. Only 1.5% believe the mass arrests are justified. Clearly, the lack of specific probable cause and oppressive bail results in the majority of people understanding that the Waco PD was clearly not justified.

The National Motorcycle Profiling Survey, created by the North Florida COC and sponsored by the MPP, provides valuable insight into the issue of motorcycle profiling in America. As we move towards an effort to pass a national motorcycle profiling law participation in the survey will provide a valuable piece of evidence in the overall pattern justifying relief. If you haven’t taken the survey yet, it can be found here. And please encourage as many as you can to participate in this most important effort. There is no democracy without participation.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biker; hooligans; waco
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To: Elderberry

I don’t know, getting told to lay down on the ground facing away from a cop with my hands on my head while being searched is part of the adventure of riding my bike.


21 posted on 10/08/2015 6:05:51 AM PDT by dila813
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To: X-spurt

When I was a kid in the early 80s my mom made it clear when you saw guys coming by on motorcycles, that we were to get back up to the house.

Motorcycle gangs apparently were a very major problem in that part of town and you didnt take chances on if the guy was a real gang member or just some innocent rider.


22 posted on 10/08/2015 6:11:06 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Elderberry

I think some of this is the “bad-ass” phony attitude some of these dentists and accountants that own Harleys think of themselves. I’ve been riding my entire life and I have never for a second thought I was singled out in any way. In fact, I’ve always felt a little privilege from cops that respect riders. I have never been pulled over, never harassed, and never intimidated by anyone.


23 posted on 10/08/2015 6:14:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
If you ride a hog and dress like a Hell’s Angel or other biker gang, perhaps we should use our objective minds to wonder if you are in fact a threat.

Would you know enough to tell the doctor/dentist/lawyer/tradesman bikers from criminals?

Gee whiz, they all wear black leather (protective clothing) and any of them might be sporting a club patch (something like "Tooth Grinders MC").

Or maybe you'd just rather herd all bikers into some holding cell and sort it out later?

Wonder all you want, but don't assume.

24 posted on 10/08/2015 6:17:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Elderberry
I approach riding my Harley like everything else, I obey the law (with occasional adrenalin fueled lapses when encountering remote, lightly traveled twisties) , drive defensively, and when I encounter LEOs I am calm, respectful, and alert them to my CHL (required under Texas law).

I have yet to be stopped without good cause and have gotten only one ticket, other than a warning, and that was from a rookie in training with his senior officer present. I have been let off with warnings when the law called for arrest (100+ MPH).

"Yes, sir" and "No, sir" go a long way, regardless of who you are and what you are riding/driving.

25 posted on 10/08/2015 6:36:55 AM PDT by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“Well, you shouldn’t be anyway unless you’re actually on a mission. “

Maybe he like wearing it. Funny how the biker culture seems to have more clothing dress codes than a sorority. Wear this, not that, what state are you in? Have you asked permission from this club to do that, is it before easter...etc etc.
Totally gay.


26 posted on 10/08/2015 7:17:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Tupelo

“53.79% of those surveyed have witnessed police presence or investigations at planned and publicized motorcycle gatherings.”
Then 46.21% are not paying attention.
But wait, there are also police present at every music fest, hot rod show, state fair, and July 4th parade. What’s the point? Police ALWAYS show where there are large crowds of people.

So you have two general questions, then go into the Waco fiasco and somehow determing that police are profiling motorcycle riders.
I ride nearly every day. I’m in a Riding Club. I see cops all the time and get a friendly wave from some and most take a good look at my bike.
My Rider Club goes to lunch, for long rides, meetings, bike shows and have never felt “profiled”.


27 posted on 10/08/2015 7:28:40 AM PDT by CPONav
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To: CodeToad

Ditto. Riding since ‘64. Harley’s & old Triumph’s......


28 posted on 10/08/2015 7:32:43 AM PDT by Arlis ( A "Sacred Cow" Tipping Christian)
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To: Elderberry

I rode a Harley without a helmet for years and was never stopped once.


29 posted on 10/08/2015 7:36:05 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Arlis
I ride a 1995 Triumph Thunderbird with the inline 3 cylinder (900 cc)...peashooters with no baffling...sounds great.
30 posted on 10/08/2015 9:13:07 AM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Everybody knows you meet the nicest people on a Honda!


31 posted on 10/08/2015 10:11:15 AM PDT by BraveMan
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32 posted on 10/08/2015 10:53:44 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: demsux

‘71 Trophy 500 T100C 500cc, ‘72 Bonneville T120V 650cc, ‘73 Trident T150V 750cc (just sold).

Would love a ‘98 or newer (EFI) T100..........almost got one 4 months ago, sold out from under me by dealer after committing it to me.....


33 posted on 10/08/2015 12:17:52 PM PDT by Arlis ( A "Sacred Cow" Tipping Christian)
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To: CodeToad

(img src=”C:\Users\Diane\Desktop\lone-wolf-no-club-patch-277x300.jpg>


34 posted on 10/08/2015 12:41:35 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: gibsosa

ooopsss.. let me try that again


35 posted on 10/08/2015 12:42:11 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

How do you want us to dress? Full leathers is exactly what is recommended by the MSF (motorcycle safety foundation).

If I recall correctly it was one of the questions on my state test for a motorcycle license.


36 posted on 10/08/2015 1:06:29 PM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: DesertRhino
Maybe he like wearing it.

Maybe he does, but he's not supposed to.

Funny how the biker culture seems to have more clothing dress codes than a sorority. Wear this, not that, what state are you in? Have you asked permission from this club to do that, is it before easter...etc etc.

PGR is not "biker culture" it's more military culture. You're not really PGR unless you're on an honor mission.

Totally gay.

Many PGR members are combat veterans. I suggest you make that comment to their face.

37 posted on 10/08/2015 4:47:54 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republican Freed the Slaves" month.)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
You know why we wear leather? It's a whole lot faster and easier to replace a scuffed up jacket and chaps than it is to grow new skin after some twit in a car knocks you off your bike. But according to you, it's so we can look like 1%ers.

I spend most of my 2-wheel time on a 250cc scooter. I couldn't look like a “tough guy” if I tried!

The self-righteousness and condescension of many FReepers regarding motorcyclists is thoroughly unjustified and disgusting.

38 posted on 10/08/2015 4:57:37 PM PDT by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Arlis

I’ve been riding a 2009 Triumph Boneville SE for the past 5 years. It’s the most trouble free bike I’ve ever had and I’ve been riding for 38 years, highly recommended...


39 posted on 10/08/2015 5:19:12 PM PDT by Geronimo
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To: zeugma

Three piece business suits.

It’s more important that you not “threaten” anyone with your attire than it is for you to survive an incident.


40 posted on 10/09/2015 12:18:23 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away...)
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