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1 posted on 10/08/2015 3:18:52 AM PDT by RockyTCB
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To: RockyTCB

The journey to skim i believe to not be government-driven, but marketing-driven. Dairy producers, selling more cream, heavy cream, whipping, half-n-half, found they could sell the byproducts as well.


2 posted on 10/08/2015 3:28:24 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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I stopped believing anything the government said about food decades ago. People with an agenda get in charge and they push their agenda.

Come to think of it, I don’t believe anything said by a government employee or politician either. Nothing. If they said it was raining I’d have to check myself.


3 posted on 10/08/2015 3:32:14 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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2 percent milk? Might as well drink water.


5 posted on 10/08/2015 3:41:44 AM PDT by patriot08 (4th geneneration Texan (girl type))
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I stuck with whole milk, when I drink milk. For the kids, whole milk (milk fat was intended for developing babies, right?). No regrets.

I am at the point that if the government says it is bad for me, (and applying some common sense), I'll make mine a double.

6 posted on 10/08/2015 3:47:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Most advice the govt gives is wrong. The govt is composed of people that work in their best interests, not ours.


8 posted on 10/08/2015 3:56:32 AM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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Hey it’s just more settled science like global warming.


12 posted on 10/08/2015 4:16:12 AM PDT by Mr. Dough (Who was the greater military man, General Tso or Col. Sanders?)
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I switched to skim milk for years... gained 40 pounds

switched back to WHOLE mile - lost it all

When your body gets what it needs, you are not constantly hungry.

Milk is not the only change- I stopped eating bread, and it made a huge difference too (a HUGE difference)


13 posted on 10/08/2015 4:16:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (If it is HilLIARy -vs- Jeb! then I am writing-in Palin/Cruz)
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From the movie "Speeper":

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."

Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.

Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?

Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.

14 posted on 10/08/2015 4:16:47 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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I'll continue to drink 5-6 gallons of whole milk a week, I don't give a damn what the government or anyone else says!!!

When I was a kid during WW-2 I would shake up the milk as soon as the milkman delivered it so my mother couldn't skim it for the cream.

15 posted on 10/08/2015 4:20:38 AM PDT by dalereed
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I’ve always thought the low fat diet was absurd. Fat is needed to absorb certain nutrients. I love REAL whole milk - before the cream separates.


16 posted on 10/08/2015 4:23:51 AM PDT by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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Milk is for children. I might put some in my coffee now and then.

I do like cheese. I really like cheese.


17 posted on 10/08/2015 4:24:31 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (A businessman gets things done with own money. A politician takes money and gets nothing done.)
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I stopped worrying about this when I read that farmers used feed their pigs skim milk to fatten them up.

I notice that the government started advocating skim and low-fat right at the same time people started becoming fatter... coincidence? ...


21 posted on 10/08/2015 4:37:18 AM PDT by Chicory
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Dunking graham crackers in whole milk has been my late night snack for almost 70 years.


25 posted on 10/08/2015 4:45:19 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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There is reasonable evidence that the low-fat/high carb diet the government has been pushing since the early 80’s is behind the obesity epidemic in the US. We need carbs, but not to the extent recommended by the dietary “experts.”

The food pyramid and Moochelle’s plate approach are also bogus.

A low-carb/high-protein diet, coupled with regular aerobic exercise, is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds.


27 posted on 10/08/2015 4:48:04 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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Skim milk tastes better.


28 posted on 10/08/2015 4:51:15 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Based on flimsy evidence, the USDA first started urging people to eat low-fat diets in 1977. As evidence grew that this advice was misguided — at best — it steadfastly refused to change course.

The above might be true, but the low fat, low cholesterol advice has been around much longer. The below is from the Wiki entry on Ancel Keys, whose faulty work was the basis for much of the low fat, low cholesterol diet advice that followed.

As a result (of Ancel Keys work), in 1956 representatives of the American Heart Association appeared on television to inform people that a diet which included large amounts of butter, lard, eggs, and beef would lead to coronary heart disease. This resulted in the American government recommending that people adopt a low-fat diet in order to prevent heart disease.

The low fat advice started in the late '50s, early '60s. My family started using Fleischman's corn oil margarine in the late '50s or early '60s because a doctor told my father to stop eating butter and some other natural fats.

Keys was on the cover of Time Magazine in January of 1961. Just making the point that this dietary advice has been around significantly longer than some things I've read recently indicate. It was around even before the government got involved. Then the food companies made it part of their advertising and the rest is history.

29 posted on 10/08/2015 4:59:29 AM PDT by Will88
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White chalk is all it is.


31 posted on 10/08/2015 5:01:38 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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2 percent milk? Might as well drink water.

FWIW, I’m not a big milk drinker, never have been a fan even as a kid, my mother used to have to force me to drink milk, and I can’t remember the last time I drank a whole glass of milk as an adult, heck I even use yogurt instead of milk on my cereal and I love cheese, but excepting for a few recipes that really need and specify whole milk or half & half or heavy cream, when use or drink milk, I can’t really tell all that much difference between whole milk and 2%. 1% or skim however is another matter.

"People who consumed more milk fat had lower incidence of heart disease."

One has to be careful when evaluating any medical or scientific “research”, especially when published in the MSM. Often these research papers are published and taken as being “absolute fact” but then you rarely hear about the peer reviews or other researchers not being able to replicate the results of the original researchers or those who find flaws in the research.

Remember that correlation does not necessarily equal causation.

For instance, “of the people studied who consumed more milk fat and had a lower incidence of heart disease”- how large was the sample population?; how long were they tracked?; what other factors might have been at play – genetic predispositions toward or against incidences of heart disease?; what other foods did the group eat or not eat?; and perhaps more importantly, what was their level of physical activity? – all compared against to what control groups?

I do however think the advice toward going low fat or non-fat is and has been wrong all along. Fats, including animal fats are absolutely essential to a healthy and well balance diet. But as with all things, moderation and balance and other lifestyle choices are the key.

The trend toward going to extreme low or non-fat diets has resulted in people (and food manufacturers) replacing healthy animal and dairy fats with unhealthy fats and with carbs and mostly empty sugars and with disastrous results. IMO - a very low fat diet does not satiate the appetite and causes people to instead fill up on empty calories and thus consume more calories.

OTHO, some diets like Atkins or some “Paleo” diets that put a very strong emphasis on foods heavy on animal fats but with little in the way of carbs (and yes, carbs, especially whole grains and fibrous ones, cruciferous vegetables, are also essential for good health too, especially if you want to poop on a regular basis), physical activity levels are also very important and often overlooked.

At the end of the day, calories, no matter from what types of foods they come from will make you fat if you don’t move enough. We have IMO become way too sedentary.

FWIW – at one time in the not so distant past, for many poor people, meat was a luxury. Many poor people subsisted on a diet high in grains, potatoes, beans, rice, etc. and with very little or sparingly used or poor quality meats, sometimes the most fatty and less desirable meats or organ meats, the cast offs. But they didn’t get fat because they were constantly engaged in rigorous physical activity.

32 posted on 10/08/2015 5:02:34 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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My friend who is a Doctor has been telling me this for years.


36 posted on 10/08/2015 5:20:58 AM PDT by traderrob6
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If you want low fat milk, just mix whole milk with water.
You can adjust the mixture to whatever percentage you want that doesn't ruin the taste for you.
Cheaper too.
Yea, the milk companies add some vitamins and stuff but you get that in other foods.

39 posted on 10/08/2015 5:46:57 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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