We all get that you don't care for Trump. That's fine, just don't hop on to Trump threads pushing your BS.
In fact.....just
Posted on 10/06/2015 5:28:53 AM PDT by onyx
<” For some reason I smell Karl Rove behind this latest BS strategy to bring down Trump. “ >
That is definitely an astute thought!
I hadn’t really thought of Rove, but it would be a sure and certain path to redemption for the “turd blossom”, after bungling the bundling for Romney, only to make a fool of himself on FAUX, on election night, proclaiming Romney a sure winner. Remember that?
Me-again Kelly marched down the hallway, with camera man in tow, to get Karl’s hat in the form of final returns, clacked back to the panel and handed it to him. He became a laughing stock and has been in the dog house ever since as a bundling and strategic guru. Rove would need a big dog to take down to regain some of his lost credibility.
Onyx, thanks for linking me in with that.
At the same time you to know that I’m not interested in this person’s personal information.
I appreciate your request, but I was just interested in finding out if this person could name some things they didn’t like about Trumps Platform.
I wanted that question to be laid out for others to read and ponder it. I don’t think some of these folks who don’t like Trump actually have a reason other than that they don’t like his history.
Seems to me that if they thought about it, they would realize his agenda now is very close to what we want.
Did you hear anything from 1010?
Not yet.
What is needed is a type of reverse “Great Society”. The reason progs win so much is that they appeal to the baseness of human existence. They tie pocketbook issues to policy. So, for instance, ridding us of Democratcare becomes difficult because the beneficiaries are focused while the pain diffuse.
So what to do? Building a wall is a waste of funds when the same thing can be accomplished via permanent welfare reform. How can welfare reform be made binding? Reward fatherhood, marriage and chastity. Create a bounty, just like the IRS does, on welfare cheats. Illegals, the laziest, self deport.
We agree with stopping “refugees” who don’t assimilate or share our values. Socialism is the governing system of Islam. That is it in practice.
My approach is this: History is the best indicator of future behavior. Politicians, and Trump is a politician (just not as a profession), say many things and even anything to get elected. That’s their business. What can/should a voter do? Be skeptical.
I like a lot of what Trump says, but I am a classical liberal: small government, private property, individual liberty.
Do we judge a person by what they say or what they do? Trump hasn’t done anything conservative with the hundreds of millions of dollars at his disposal, yet I should believe him? I am not searching for a guy to “manage things better”. I don’t want a better dictator, but a lover of liberty.
Several things concern me about Trump. As noted, his complete lack of action on conservative issues despite the means and motive (if we believe he is a sincere convert to our cause(s)).
Next, his serial wifery. If you cannot be good to your number one gal, then were does that leave us? Trophy wifism is a sure sign of selfish narcissism.
Furthermore, he didn’t raise his terrific kids. Ivana’s parents did. They were old world Czechs. Is it accident or design that Trump ignored his family and lucked out that Ivana’s parents were well grounded and moral? A man that ignores his children for money and fame isn’t a man I respect.
Much is made of his business success and that is partly true. His father gave him at least $100 million ($558 million in 2014 dollars) around 1972 and Trump has built on that. Many wealthy heirs lose their fortunes. So that speaks well of him. Yet, he underperformed the objective money management measure, namely the stock market which appreciated 10.4%/year on average over those 43 years.
We know though from experience that most of the 1% tend toward the social convenience of liberalism. It’s rare to find a conservative in their ranks and this brings me to my final concern for this post.
Trump is a urbanite from America’s largest city. It’s rare to find a person from an extremely cosmopolitan and diverse city who isn’t center-left.
If only Trump acted and behaved as a conservative and put his money toward conservative causes, then I’d like him a lot.
No hard feelings. I like you and thanks for your forthrightness.
I’ve been on FR since the late nineties approx. 97/98, but the entire question is irrelevant and to the man. Let’s discuss the issues.
We simply must prevail. Failure is not an option this time. Trump or Bust.
We all get that you don't care for Trump. That's fine, just don't hop on to Trump threads pushing your BS.
In fact.....just
Good post. While I like what Trump says (and some like the way he says it - I don’t) his statements from even just a few years ago are not conservative. I know people can change their minds - but I’m not sure what prompted those changes with Trump.
With Reagan, he explained and proved why he had changed (with the exception of some of his actions as Governor and President). I’m just concerned that Trump is just saying conservative things in order to get the nomination.
While I’m a Cruz fan, if Trump gets the nomination I’ll vote for him, get a pit in my stomach like when I bought my last used car, and hope that after a few thousand miles say “Man - I love this car!”
You’re stuck in establishment thinking, or maybe it’s just traditional thinking.
A man like Trump is not normal, average or typical. He sure as hell isn’t establishment or traditional. Mostly because he is more a force of nature. You either kind of “get” that, or you don’t.
Trump sees Hell coming for the USA. We either change the template or we continue to sleep. Simple.
The thing is these traditional candidates want to be a force, but they are not and they are not going to win. That’s just the truth.
The Establishment will prop up Jeb Bubba Bush, or possibly Kasich, but if Trump should be felled, your guy is not going to win. He is going nowhere. Except for the Establishment pick the donors select.
I will vote for Cruz if the evil forces take out Trump, but I will do so knowing Cruz will never win the nomination.
I’ve not pushed a single lie about Trump. If you know of any point it out, but to date none of FR supporters has refuted a thing.
Agreed. During the primary, though, it’s the time to elect the most proven, conservative leader. I liked Walker best originally. I just don’t want to get Peroted.
This is the part that most scares me about Trump's supporters. This sense that he's superhuman. He's got feet of clay.
When given a triumph a slave whispered in the triumphator's ear: you're only a mortal. Trump isn't the dynamic change agent you guys give him so much credit for. He's just going to "do things" better, not shrink government or return us to our Constitutional values.
I understand that will take time, but 8 years of Trump will just lead to 8 years of some other Obama and we keep losing our republic cut by cut.
Living and doing business in one of the most cosmopolitan cities, New York City, it is a given that Trump would be friends with any politician who could throw monkey wrenches in his path.
You picking on 3 wives? Well OK, Reagan had only 2 wives, but you don’t think much of him either? He had to be somewhat of a narcissist too! Wake up and smell the coffee of 21st century. We do not live in the Victorian era any more. Life is extremely fluid and dynamic, especially when one is doing business world wide. Gone are the centuries when people were born, raised, lived and died in the same town. Marriage can get stale, or business travel can make both spouses unhappy. Many times individuals simply grow apart. It is better to divorce and find mutual peace and happiness. Did you notice ex-wife Ivanka came to his defense when innuendo’s were attempted by media recently about his divorce?
What Trump and Reagan did is infinitely better than what Bill Clinton, McCarthy, Petraeus, and dozens and dozens of famous politicians & celebrities are caught doing...adultery.
Have you noticed every member of Donald Trump’s family adores him? I saw an hour long video made my Golf Channel about a meeting with his employees from all over the world, and it was obvious he is loved by his employees.
Nobody is saying Donald Trump is mother Theresa. I am convinced he is not running to make more money. At age 69, one has different perspectives. I see in this man a can do type of person, based on all the actual things he has built on schedule and under budget. A businessman does not garner success by waste and incompetence.
The infra-structure is literally crumbling. I was in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taipei last year. Flying back into San Francisco airport felt like a third world airport in comparison to what I has just witnessed. Who knows better than Donal Trump how to build things on schedule and under budget?
Are you really serious that Trump should have placed all his inheritance in stock market and lead a secluded life living quietly? And become a college professor? Compare that to the life he has lived..this man has better name recognition worldwide than most others.
I personally ignore people who obviously have done little or no research. But since you want to know more about him may I suggest reading THE TRUMPS. Its a 500 + small print tomb about the development of the family empire.
Grandpa came to US with little. His father had died. Family was in dire need. He died in 1918 Spanish flue when Fred the oldest of three was 11. By taking full time trade classes while he attended high school full time and worked weekend
And his mother signing paper work he was able to work hard and earn his first million at a young age. She sent her daughter to business school. And John— well do a google on his accomplishments. Radar for the military during WWII being one. GEEEEENIUS
Fred passed that work ethic on to his son, Donald who passed on social activities on the weekend to come home work for his dad adn go to church with his mother. Oh I forgot he attended local Jr college for first two years so he could work (paint floors, landscape for his dad. He was away at military school from age 13-18. That’s where he learned not to lie but exaggerate.
All of his children have had to work — clear land — man a boat dock etc growing up. Family time is extremely important
The family work ethic has been passed from one generation to the next. Its much more valuable than money.
Now get busy and read instead of passing on false information
It's so rewarding to see someone answer emotional and illogical "hate Trump" posts with facts and rational thinking. Good work!
Leni
Regarding the inheritance from Fred, the father. Their were five children in the family and a mother Mary. The amount you mentioned was the worth of Fred’s total assets
Fred Jr ( the oldest) died at 42 as an Alcoholi. Spent more than he made
Mary Ann became a lawyer. She was appointed to the federal bench by Reagan. Clinton appointed her to appellate court where she worked with Sam Allito She spoke for him at his SC confirmation hearing
Another sister became a bookkeeper/
banker
Youngest brother works for Trump Inc. started by managing the fathers property
At the time of his father’s death Donald was already independently wealthy. He started flipping multi home houses while still a student at Warton often living in the roach and rat infested apartment while repairing other part of house himself. Check out materials from former roommates
Although the family worked with all trade unions, mob and ethic labor groups they were both known to jump in and help. Something he hasn’t had to do for many years but has encouraged his sons to learn
BTTT!
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