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USCG confirms: SS El Faro has sunk. 33 lives may be lost, still searching
Various ^ | 10/05/15

Posted on 10/05/2015 7:16:02 AM PDT by cll

Edited on 10/05/2015 8:48:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

(USCG confirms SS El faro has sunk. 1 body and one damaged life boat found among large debris field. details forthcoming.)

MIAMI, Florida (NEWS CENTER) -- The search to find the missing cargo ship, El Faro, which disappeared Thursday in the midst of Hurricane Joaquin with at least four Mainers on board, started up again early Monday morning.

According to the U. S. Coast Guard, HC130 aircrews left early in the morning to continue their search for the missing crew.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bermudatriangle; elfaro; hurricane; jacksonville; joaquin; puertorico; totemaritime; uscg
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To: Mears; Moonman62
“My guess is the company puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the captain to save fuel and time.”

That reminds me of Bruce Ismay allegedly telling Captain EJ Smith that the Titanic should sail with max power so that they could reach NYC a day earlier...

81 posted on 10/05/2015 6:24:28 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Is there any talk that the ship was scuttled ..??

I just keep wondering if there was anything unusual on board the vessel, and “whoever” decided to stop the ship from reaching it’s goal.

Do you know where the ship was headed ..??


82 posted on 10/05/2015 7:05:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: cll
My husband had a significant dream in 2002. In the dream he saw a fancy dinner plate which used to sit as a cherished possession in the center of someone's table. It was called "The American Plate." It had disappeared and people were searching for it. The dream was repeated several times.

When he awoke he asked me (because he knows I've read a lot on earthquakes and seismology), is America on one plate? I said, Yes. The 4 big quakes of 1811 and 1812 occurred in the New Madrid Seismic Zone which is considered an incomplete rift. Search for "Reelfoot Rift" or "Missouri Gravity Low". It is at the meeting of 5 states "in the midst of Babylon".

Others have had dreams or visions of America mostly underwater. On Oct. 4, 2015, the cargo ship El Faro sank. El Faro means Lighthouse. America was to be a lighthouse. El Faro is no more. This is a bad sign for America.

The Biblical Command to Flee ~ http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-Flee.htm

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

83 posted on 10/05/2015 7:19:27 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: cll

Is this area, there she went down, considered *the Bermuda Triangle*?


84 posted on 10/05/2015 7:23:30 PM PDT by Daffynition (*We are not descended from fearful men*)
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To: Dan Cooper

Had I been the captain, I’d have waited one day to see what this monster really was.


85 posted on 10/05/2015 7:35:04 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Daffynition

Yes.


86 posted on 10/05/2015 7:43:20 PM PDT by cll (Serviam!)
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To: The Final Harvest

The El Faro was headed from Jacksonville, Florida to San Juan, Puerto Rico.

There were 391 large metal containers on board the vessel, and 274 automobiles and trailers below decks.

This story is attracting a great deal of interest here in Maine because four of the crew members were graduates of the Maine Maritime Academy in Castine, Maine, not all that far from where I am.

I don’t believe the ship was abandoned on purpose. A category 4 hurricane is not something to be messed with.
The crew had radioed that the ship was taking on water, and was listing.

A sad situation.


87 posted on 10/05/2015 8:07:22 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Liberals are like the Taliban and ISIS....destroying cultural icons they don't like.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
It's approximately 1100nm from Jax to PR, the El Faro can make 25kts so it's an approximately 48hr trip. I've heard that that the El Faro left at midnight on Tuesday. By that time the 11pm forecast on Tuesday showed by Wednesday 8pm the center of the storm was forecast to be right in their track right when they would be there.

They could have been going slower to try to let the storm pass or they might have pushing it to try to slip past. I'm having a hard time finding out exactly when they reported their last position off Crooked Key. Then we might be able to tell what speed they were making and what the strategy was. It's hard to understand why they wouldn't have taken steps to avoid the storm assuming they had the latest weather.

88 posted on 10/05/2015 9:29:21 PM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: rockinqsranch

“The term I forgot in my original response to this article is “broach”. In other words the vessel broached becoming parallel to the waves, thus subject to much more intense battering by the waves. Under power the vessel would have been headed INTO the waves. Without power the waves push/turn the vessel into the trough between the waves, and it’s over.”

That’s about the size of it.


89 posted on 10/05/2015 11:42:18 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Dan Cooper

I read somewhere that Jacksonville to PR was 4 days.
In any case, there was a wager made and lost.

I’m more familiar with Great Lakes shipping. I was GM of a marine fueling business in Duluth-Superior for 16 years. We operated an 8,000 bbl lighter vessel in the harbor and had shore tanks at Two Harbors, Silver Bay and Taconite Harbor, MN.

The captain of our tanker put the last N6 fuel on the Ed Fitz.


90 posted on 10/06/2015 4:41:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: wardaddy
But as a rule try to avoid the zero to 120 degree apex of hurricanes which is highest concentration of storm power

precisely....if after clearing the sea buoy off Mayport, this guy woulda taken a hard right...head straight down the coast...he and his crew would probably be headed back from San Juan right now...aside from the number one rule of the sea..don't pee to lee...sailing into the northeastern quadrant of any tropical storm is almost maniacal....sailing inside the stream southbound, he would have had company...other ships and tugs were taking that route that day...

91 posted on 10/06/2015 7:51:10 AM PDT by sternup
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To: sternup

ALWAYS pee to lee...and proofread


92 posted on 10/06/2015 7:59:22 AM PDT by sternup
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To: 2sheep
Gibberish.

Leni

93 posted on 10/06/2015 8:17:31 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“She sailed from Florida last Tuesday, right into the storm.”

The storm gained strength rapidly AFTER they sailed AND it reversed course 180 degrees just prior to the sinking.


94 posted on 10/06/2015 8:51:06 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Had I been the captain, I would have waited a day to determine the storm’s strength. If the journey from Jacksonville to PR really is 2 full days, one day of demurrage wouldn’t amount to much.

Can you estimate hourly demurrage on a vessel like this one ?


95 posted on 10/06/2015 9:03:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: TexasGator
The storm gained strength rapidly AFTER they sailed AND it reversed course 180 degrees just prior to the sinking.

which was predicated by several wx prediction models hours before this ship sailed.....

96 posted on 10/06/2015 6:53:47 PM PDT by sternup
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To: sternup

“which was predicated by several wx prediction models hours before this ship sailed.....”

I saw NO models that predicted the path and intensity. If you have a link, please provide.


97 posted on 10/06/2015 7:00:05 PM PDT by TexasGator
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