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Why We Should Not Intervene In Syria
National Review ^ | 10/04/2015 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 10/05/2015 6:59:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s ba-aack.

The Vacuum, that is. That’s the Beltway fairy tale about how Syria was teeming with secular-democratic Muslim moderates ready and willing not only to topple the barbarous Bashar al-Assad regime but simultaneously to rout al-Qaeda. They were not able to pull off these feats, we’re told, without the massive help that President Obama refused to give them. This default, combined with Obama’s unconscionable retreat from neighboring Iraq while jihadists were on the rise, created a leadership void — the Vacuum — into which the Islamic State (formerly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) poured in . . . or spontaneously generated . . . or . . . something.

It is a myth, but a useful one for people who do not know what to do, or know what to do but fear explaining it because they know there is no political appetite for it.

The Syrian mess has gotten messier because Vladimir Putin, with all the unpredictability of the morning sun, has invaded Syria on behalf of Assad and Putin’s more important ally Iran — Assad’s longtime string-puller. The Russian strongman’s claimed purpose is to fight the Islamic State — a pretext no more real than was the supposed need to protect indigenous Russian populations that Putin cited in invading Georgia, Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine.

Putin, with China’s indulgence, is obviously attempting to fortify a sphere of anti-American influence across the Middle East. Anti-Americanism in this Islamic-supremacist region long predates Putin, of course. What has changed is that the United States is governed by a man of the hard Left — a president who is sympathetic to the Islamist narrative about American imperialism, ambivalent at best about American power, and determined to diminish America’s regional commitments, and thus American influence.

Previous American presidents dealt with the Middle East’s endemic anti-Americanism by exhibiting strength in the pursuit of U.S. interests. When they faltered, it was because they seemed to apologize for American strength and accommodated brutal sharia culture, even as they fought the jihadism that culture inevitably breeds. The natives didn’t like us, but they had to respect us. And because their internecine hatreds fuel constant intrigue and conflict, American strength could be a convenient ally in a pinch — and there’s always a pinch, just ask the Saudis.

Obama, however, is different. He was going to befriend the Islamists by paying homage to the Islamists . . . and then leaving them to their savagery and dysfunction without American interference. This would be fine if (a) the United States had no vital interests at stake, and (b) Obama had not executed this strategy by materially supporting the ascendance of Iran, the jihadist revolutionary state that is America’s mortal enemy.

Obama’s fantasy world, in which Iran is a potential ally and Russia a potentially stabilizing influence, created the opportunity for Putin to move in. He loves to humiliate Obama, so he is having his moment now. It should be remembered, however, that the Soviet Union, though far mightier than the pale imitation that is Putin’s basket-case, was devastated by its failed invasion of Afghanistan. That was a less ambitious project than the one today’s Russia appears to have set upon.

Clearly, there is some real upside for Putin in this. It is an object lesson to the Baltic states that Putin covets: The United States is unwilling to fight so take no comfort in NATO’s empty security guarantee. But for Putin, propping up Assad by making his bed with the snakes in Tehran is no sure thing. If the Kremlin found Afghan jihadists to be a problem, wait until it experiences the pain the more formidable al-Qaeda and ISIS can inflict.

Putin’s latest gambit may end up being less of a boon for him than for the Republican presidential field. It brings to the fore Obama’s treacherous Iran deal — the insanity of empowering the mullahs while they actively threaten the region under Putin’s cover. It brings into sharp relief Obama’s patent paralysis against Putin’s bold decisiveness and scorn.

This provides a timely campaign opportunity for Republicans to inveigh against Obama — who, after all, deserves it — while hoping no one notices that they don’t offer much that they’d do differently in Syria. When occasionally pressed, we hear, yet again, about filling the Vacuum.

#share#To repeat, in Syria, there has never been a vacuum — i.e., a void created by the failure to cultivate a viable opposition. Yes, there are some moderates in Syria, but the backbone of Assad’s opposition has always been Islamist: the Muslim Brotherhood and the even more extreme jihadists with whom they seamlessly make common cause. They are not moderates; they want to overthrow Iran’s despicable cat’s paw, Assad, in order to do to Syria what the Brotherhood tried to do to Egypt — and what Islamists have done to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.

It is not true that Obama failed to back the Syrian “rebels.” In fact, after the mutual Obama-Beltway GOP strategy of siding with Islamists against Qaddafi blew up on us in Libya, a reprise was attempted in Syria. Alas, the “rebels” we backed kept aligning with the jihadists (just as they did in Libya); the weapons we gave them kept ending up in jihadist hands. That was not just because the “rebels” were insufficiently “vetted”; it was because there was no way to overthrow Assad without the Islamists’ playing a major role — and, probably, a leading role.

This contributed to the ascendancy of ISIS, but was not the cause of that ascendancy. The cause is the dominant regional culture — Islamic supremacism. If Washington won’t face up to that fact, then it will of course continue strengthening our enemies in the delusional hope that they will someday become our friends.

Then, to make matters worse, Washington forgot that it had gotten enmeshed in Syria in order to oust Assad. Obama desperately wanted his deal with Iran, which wanted Assad left alone. So the Syria misadventure turned on a dime from targeting Assad on behalf of Sunni Islamists and jihadists to targeting Sunni jihadists — ISIS — to the benefit of Assad. Does anyone wonder why the U.S. has no credibility in the region?

Republicans, especially those seeking the presidency, will never get the policy right until they get reality right. It is reality that must inform American interests, which in turn must inform American action.

Our interests in the region are to defeat both Russia/Iran/Assad and ISIS/al-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood. It is not either-or, and it does not serve our interests to elevate one side at the expense of the other. After all, the players change sides — Iran, for example, helps al-Qaeda and Hamas, which is the Muslim Brotherhood. The only thing you can really bank on is that they all hate the United States.

Our vital interest in Syria (and Iraq and elsewhere, for that matter) is to prevent its being used as a platform for the launching of attacks against the United States, our allies, and our interests. Moreover, this, it is crucial to remember, is an American problem. It is not one we could responsibly delegate to another country’s “moderate rebels” even if they were numerous enough to need something bigger than a phone booth for their meetings.

That means it is going to take a large commitment of American forces on the ground as well as in the air to achieve our vital interests. But there is no political support for that in our country at the moment. That, no doubt, is why a candidate like Marco Rubio, who is smart enough to see the writing on the wall, seems reluctant to come out and say it.

Even if there were political support for using American force, it would be a losing cause to take up unless and until we finally start seeing Iran the way Iran sees us: as the enemy.

There are not good guys and bad guys in this equation. There are bad guys and other bad guys. And quelling the threat these bad guys collectively pose to the United States is our responsibility — not something we should do out of humanitarian concern for Middle Easterners, or because we are somehow obliged to slake their purported thirst for freedom.

Until we have that right, we should continue to stay out of Syria. Not because Obama has it right — he doesn’t. And not because Putin’s aggression could end up being good for us — if Donald Trump really believes that, it is yet another demonstration that he is not a serious candidate even if he is running a serious campaign.

No, we should stay out because if we go in for the wrong reasons and with the wrong assumptions, we will do our security more harm than good.

Make no mistake, though: This challenge is not going away. The threat to our national security posed by radical Islam — both the Sunni and the Shiite varieties, plus their state sponsors — is intensifying. It will have to be dealt with, hopefully before it deals with us in a catastrophic way.

— Andrew C. McCarthy is a policy fellow at the National Review Institute. His latest book is Faithless Execution: Building the Political Case for Obama’s Impeachment.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: andymccarthy; china; isis; russia; russiasyria; syria; waronterror
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To: ETL
"But having a country like Russia step in and gain such huge strategic advantage over the US and it's allies is nothing we should be cheering about. "

I don't see that Russia has gained a major new ally in the region...unless it's Iran.

They have always had alignment and alliance with Syria.

What's really different here is the fact the USA, under Obama, has been totally out maneuvered, on a grand scale.

It may result in a permanent realignment of alliances in the Middle East.

Israel declines to criticize the Russian presence and airstrikes.

Egypt supports.

Merkel and EU members of the coalition stating Assad must be at the negotiating table.

And the US/Qutar/Saudis isolated.

It's the "political defeat" that has strategic implications, not modest Russian forces in Syria. And they are modest, at best.

21 posted on 10/05/2015 7:46:22 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: odawg

One of the best strategies in Doom was always to sneak into a room, fire a few shots and get all the bad guys fighting with each other, come in a little later and mop up. Only problem is that in Doom, the monsters didn’t have wives and children among them.


22 posted on 10/05/2015 7:48:45 AM PDT by hemogoblin (We're all on Flight 93, now)
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To: Mariner
"But having a country like Russia step in and gain such huge strategic advantage over the US and it's allies is nothing we should be cheering about."

I don't see that Russia has gained a major new ally in the region...unless it's Iran.

By "huge strategic advantage over the US and it's allies" I was referring to them setting up strategic positions in the Middle East, as well as 'acquiring' great wealth from those nation's natural and other resources.

23 posted on 10/05/2015 7:51:11 AM PDT by ETL (Too many idiots, not enough time)
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To: ETL
You know, throwing up your standard boiler plate postings, carefully accumulated over these last few months to show Putin and Russia and Iran as evil, really just reiterates to everyone what they already know.

You are not edifying anyone.

What you fail to realize is that there appears to be a large majority of Americans, and Freepers, who see NO vital US interests in Syria. Or the fact that Russia is exerting itself there.

But, go on wasting bits if you must.

24 posted on 10/05/2015 7:51:59 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: rfreedom4u

Netanyahu also calls Iran a bigger threat than ISIS, just saying.


25 posted on 10/05/2015 7:58:17 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Mariner
[showing] Putin and Russia and Iran as evil, really just reiterates to everyone what they already know. You are not edifying anyone. What you fail to realize is that there appears to be a large majority of Americans, and Freepers, who see NO vital US interests in Syria. Or the fact that Russia is exerting itself there.

The US has "no vital interests" in Russia, a country with a long history of supporting and arming our enemies, taking over Syria and eventually the whole Middle East?

26 posted on 10/05/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by ETL (Too many idiots, not enough time)
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To: ETL; Grampa Dave
"Talk about "weird""

Grampa Dave has shown himself to be erudite and wise over many years here.

You're the singularly focused newbie idiot.

"The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"

27 posted on 10/05/2015 8:00:28 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: ETL
"The US has "no vital interests" in Russia, a country with a long history of supporting and arming our enemies, taking over Syria"

None whatsoever.

There have always been Russian weapons and personnel in Syria.

" and eventually the whole Middle East?"

Those facts are not in evidence.

Certainly the US would do well to reestablish good, healthy relationships with Iraq, Jordan, Israel and Egypt.

Otherwise, they too, could be wooed to align with a new "protector".

US political failures in the Middle East and Med are not, and should not, be described as Russian victories.

28 posted on 10/05/2015 8:07:46 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: BeadCounter

ETL’s posts are fine, so are everyone’s.

Hezbollah has sent a lot of fighters to Syria, some maps even show Hezbollah controlled areas.

So, better all of this goes on in Syria, than in Israel or Lebanon, Syria was a role player in their civil war.

According to this, the Assad regime cooperated with Jihadis, allowing them to attack US forces from Syria. This is well known.

So, basically, Assad is a collaborator with Extremists as well.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-syria-became-hell-on-earth-2015-10


29 posted on 10/05/2015 8:08:33 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Mariner
"The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"

They obviously are, you moron. Problem with people like you is that you don't give a crap if a dangerous enemy-supporting country like Russia is making major moves on the world stage to expand their power and influence over a good chunk of it. Either that or you actually want them to replace the US as the world's leading superpower. Could that be it? Be honest.

30 posted on 10/05/2015 8:24:14 AM PDT by ETL (Too many idiots, not enough time)
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To: BeadCounter

Interesting logic to these articles, get the extremists in Russia out of Russia and into Syria. There are a lot of persons from the former USSR fighting there http://www.businessinsider.com/why-russia-is-supporting-assas-2015-9


31 posted on 10/05/2015 8:29:41 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

And from what I hear, Hezbollah (Iran supported) is joining with Russia in fighting ISIS. So now they have two of their sworn enemies fighting each other. If I were them I’d keep a close watch but not interfere just yet.


32 posted on 10/05/2015 8:30:31 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Chris Stevens won't be running for president.)
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To: odawg

Sounds like McCarthy has embraced the Obama Doctrine. He’s couched it in a lot of anti-Obama rhetoric, but the end result is the same policy.


33 posted on 10/05/2015 8:53:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

I think I’m fine with this whole thing. Syria is an ally of Russia, I would expect Russia to help them, but in the end, why shouldn’t Russia deal with these nuts? We’ve done it long enough. The Mideast countries aren’t willing to clean their own house. Let them all kill each other. As long as they leave Israel alone, we don’t really have any interests. I can’t see Putin trying to wipe Israel away, or even helping those who would.


34 posted on 10/05/2015 9:15:30 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: ETL; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks ETL.

35 posted on 10/05/2015 11:25:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: ETL

None of these people seem to realize that if we cracked down on muslims in America, Putin would protest as he had done before. ISIS only bothers him if it spills over his spot.


36 posted on 10/05/2015 11:33:11 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: ETL

The Shias were the only credible mean to stomp out Suni terror. The Soviets, and now Russia, promoted history revisionist anti-shia ayatollahs in order to control all aspects of islam in the mid east, destroying Shia independence.


37 posted on 10/05/2015 11:36:00 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: odawg
if Donald Trump really believes that, it is yet another demonstration that he is not a serious candidate even if he is running a serious campaign.

It took him a while to get to his point. National Rino holds true to form.

38 posted on 10/05/2015 11:43:19 AM PDT by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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To: ETL
"They obviously are, you moron."

I shot the last man that called me a moron.

And he was a better man than you because he was a patriot who wore his country's uniform.

And, actually took up arms, in the trenches withe blood and shit and puke that comes with real fear.

And you're none of that and never will be.

39 posted on 10/05/2015 2:56:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: SeekAndFind

this overlooks the truth...... after Obama abandoned them in ‘13 they could not function

the wackos filledthe void

the moderates fled and are now refugees

obama must resign or otherwise leave office


40 posted on 10/05/2015 4:08:40 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump)
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