Posted on 10/04/2015 1:41:56 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
You missed the point entirely. It’s what we’ve needed all along and do not have now. No?
Unless you believe we already have in place a competent CiC, who’s appointed smart aggressive and forceful non-PC military commanders/advisers.
It isn't an easy concept to digest. So don't feel too bad.
Pay close attention. And get rid of those pre-conceived notions...and you'll do alright.
These folks are a waste of time. They flat out refuse to answer questions and or totally evade legitimate questions based on their own statements and comments.
Wowza!
When confronted with the truth...zombies run away.
Absolutely. After all the sacrifice, to me this was like giving back France after Normandy.
In retrospect it is very easy to say that Iraq was a mistake, and I respect the fact that Trump voiced this apparently before we went into Iraq, but I absolutely understand Bush's reasoning at that point. Occupy them there, to avoid giving them the time and opportunity to export terror from their hiding places. Plus, our intel at the time was telling us that Iraq had WMDs, and Hussein had refused to comply with the UN inspections on multiple occasions. We had developed a beachhead of sorts in the Middle East, and provided to the region a visible image of US resolve.
Bush did not create this mess, and any Republican who accedes on that point to the left is hurting their party and allowing the current administration to skate after they created a much bigger mess by exiting Iraq way too early and so leaving a vacuum that allowed the birth and expansion of ISIS.
There was no strategic plan for a victory. There was no invasion of the North. We didn’t bomb their main cities into rubble and destroy their army. That’s what worked against Berlin and Tokyo and yet neither Johnson nor Nixon were willing to do it to Hanoi. For us, WWII ran 3 1/2 years. Vietnam sputtered along for nearly 25, although not all of that was with combat troops.
At the peak of the war we never had as many 50,000 carrying rifles, the usual was 35,000. Tooth to tail was 1 to 9. By contrast the NVA was fielding over 200,000, despite heavy losses inflicted on them in battles against American forces.
Johnson’s rules of engagement bordered on the criminal by giving the NVA sanctuaries and and requiring targets to be approved back in DC. Nixon took office implying that he had a plan for ending the war, but it amounted to buying time to ‘Vietnamize’ the fight and pull out our combat troops.
Admiral US Grant Sharp was CINCPAC from ‘64 to ‘68 and wrote a book highly critical of Johnson’s policy of “gradualization” that violated everything we know about how to use military power without needlessly losing people. The book is ‘Strategy for Defeat’ if you can find it. One of the many critical examinations that I imagine you are already familiar with.
Re: “Patton would likely have slapped (or pistol whipped) a guy with four student deferments plus medical deferment (heel spurs) of a former star athlete for avoiding military service during war time.“
I can’t let this slur on Patton go by.
He would not have slapped any male who had NOT taken an oath to protect the U.S. and failed to do so.
There was no strategy for a victory because Johnso and McNamara did not have victory as a goal. They just buried 50,000+ kia for political expediency. May they both be burning in hell for eternity.
LMAO!
“Not sure McArthur is the finest example. What did he do, on December 8, 1941, waiting in his office?”
I have to agree with you. He wasted hours and didn’t prepare for the attack that came.
http://www.pacificwar.org.au/Philippines/Japanattacks.html
Tax Plan (you will like Charles’ questions):
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4527474747001/donald-trump-explains-his-2016-tax-plan/?playlist_id=3601801609001#sp=show-clips
Hillary, why he running, Common Core, illegal immigration, spending cuts(announcement coming soon):
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4527600498001/trump-hillary-clinton-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-run-for-office/?playlist_id=3601801609001#sp=show-clips
Which concept? The concept of Trump being "unpredictable" and proving he does not know what he needs to do?
And get rid of those pre-conceived notions
Now your a mind reader? What "pre-conceived" ideas do you think I have?
You’re the only one who’s confused, celmak.
Trump hasn’t changed his stance on the Russia/Syria situation.
You aren’t entitled to your own set of facts, just because you don’t care for Trump.
You’ve yet to answer your military assignments OR who your candidate is.
If you can’t back up what you’ve mocked and fabricated, then then hit the road.
We’ve all grown tired of your silly antics.
That’s as good a summation as any.
Johnson didn’t want the Vietnam War to interfere with his massive Great Society domestic plans and he was willing to needlessly put at risk American troops in order to achieve that goal. MacNamara was a supremely arrogant SOB who routinely ignored the advice of the uniformed military on how the war should be fought. LBJ and MacNamara were responsible for many needless American casualties.
You missed the point entirely. It’s what we’ve needed all along and do not have now. No?
Which point? There have been more than one. What is "what we’ve needed all along and do not have now"? There are at least a couple of points on this as well (unpredictability, the Mid East, Putin, etc.).
Unless you believe we already have in place a competent CiC, who’s appointed smart aggressive and forceful non-PC military commanders/advisers.
Yeppers, I really like the idea of Mid East chaos, and the idea of Israel being blown out of existence, Islamic terrorists invading the US, and our laws converted to Sharia (SARC).
Having said that when he talks about Putin in Syria Trump's saying there is not much we can do about Obama’s Epic Foreign Policy Failures. (Trump is responding to a question from MSM)
In Trump's stump speech (Trump is not responding to a specific question) Trump is saying he will receive advice from tough winner take all generals unlike Obama who takes his advice from Valerie Jarret.
MacNamara was a supremely arrogant SOB who routinely ignored the advice of the uniformed military on how the war should be fought. LBJ and MacNamara were responsible for many needless American casualties.
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Would not be surprised to learn that in actuality the so called McNamaras 100,000 was just another Great Society ploy, BUT an advanced Sanger program to ‘rid’ us of some dummies and malcontents.
I could actually start to believe that BUT I don’t think LBJ or RM had enough sense to ‘think along that line’. BUT they did succeed in getting some of the ‘hangers on’ out of the neighborhoods and into a paying job - no matter how low paying it was.
WHO THE H*LL HAS ASK ME THIS? For your info, I am for Cruz, who is a much better candidate than Trump is (even though I would vote for Trump if he is the candidate).
If you can’t back up what you’ve mocked and fabricated, then then hit the road.
Don't know how to read? I left a link in comparison to what he thinks now.
You’re the only one who’s confused, celmak.
Uh, no, you are gullible and ignorant.
Trump hasn’t changed his stance on the Russia/Syria situation.
I've proven otherwise, but you want to stay blind to the facts. We had a stable Iraq in 2009, then Obama made it unstable - and Trump believes we should have never gone in, which is what the left wants people to think. But then, you probably think that we should not have gone into Iraq yourself, just like what liberals think.
You've evaded multiple questions after shooting off your mouth mocking the lack of service of others. Yet you refuse to even answer a basic question about your own military service. What a piece of work you are. This thread is yours junior. You own it. Have fun!☺
My dad served under Patton in the North Africa-Sicily-Corsica campaign. Patton could be difficult. He once ordered officers in the field to wear ties. He ordered field surgeons to wear their steel pots in the operating theater. This was petty and ridiculous stuff that fortunately didn’t last. The 7th Army was happier when the equally competent but much less famous Alexander Patch took over.
The slapping incident was poor and Patton shouldn’t have done it. GIs in heavy fighting would suffer from what was then called combat fatigue. My dad’s unit was Anti-Aircraft Artillery. As they moved closer to Germany around the time of the Bulge they had a couple of GIs from Infantry units reassigned to them. They both suffered from serious combat fatigue. One of them would pace non-stop whenever one of the big guns fired off, which was pretty much all the time when a battle got going. The other one had the thousand yard stare and was as immobile as a Gumby toy. Neither was faking anything, their nerves were shot and after a week or so the Army shipped them out.
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