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To: betty boop; Jacquerie
From this, I infer that a CALLED convention is always called for a reason, or reasons.

The reason is for proposing amendments.

I just want to know where the requirement to agree on the amendments beforehand originated.

Aggregation sets the criterion of states' intent to address common concerns, as stated in their Applications, by proposing and ratifying amendments to the Constitution.

Up-thread, Jacquerie cited Alexander Hamilton in Federalist #85, but he stopped short of the point of aggregation. Continuing, Hamilton wrote:


Nor however difficult it may be supposed to unite two thirds or three fourths of the State legislatures, in amendments which may affect local interests, can there be any room to apprehend any such difficulty in a union on points which are merely relative to the general liberty or security of the people. We may safely rely on the disposition of the State legislatures to erect barriers against the encroachments of the national authority.

To me, this reads that Hamilton was not ruling out that states might try to offer amendments of "local interests," but that amendments addressing general liberty and security are more likely to get three-fourths of the states to ratify. How would "local interest" amendments get past an aggregation requirement before even calling the convention?

Or, maybe I'm reading that passage wrong?

-PJ

99 posted on 09/28/2015 3:51:19 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; betty boop
<>I just want to know where the requirement to agree on the amendments beforehand originated.<>

Beats me. I've been asking the same question at FR for some time.

From Betty Boop’s link in #89, a few dozen states submitted general applications for a convention to propose amendments.

The lawyers at FR and CoS would have us believe they don't “count.”

100 posted on 09/28/2015 4:04:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Federalist #85 was the wrap up to an immense effort.

Hamilton therefore touched on many items in summary fashion.

<>Nor however difficult it may be supposed to unite two thirds or three fourths of the State legislatures, in amendments which may affect local interests, can there be any room to apprehend any such difficulty in a union on points which are merely relative to the general liberty or security of the people. We may safely rely on the disposition of the State legislatures to erect barriers against the encroachments of the national authority.<>

I believe he was carefully addressing a major problem with the Articles of Confederation, which were in force when Hamilton wrote #85, and was a major impetus to the 1787 federal convention in Philly, that being Article XIII which required thee consent of all states to amend the rules of the confederacy.

Twice, Rhode Island alone prevented amendments which would have allowed minimal taxation of imports for a period of years to pay down the enormous debts run up during the Revolution. IOW, as Hamilton lamented, Rhode Island's local interests trumped the national interest.

In the sentence before those you quoted, Hamilton wrote: “And of consequence all the declamation about the disinclination to a change vanishes in the air.” NY and VA had not yet ratified the constitution, and Anti-Federalists were making a major fuss over not only an imperfect constitution, but on that would be un-amendable. They were wrong until 1913.

101 posted on 09/28/2015 5:02:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

<>I just want to know where the requirement to agree on the amendments beforehand originated.<>

Crickets.


103 posted on 09/29/2015 12:47:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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