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The Biggest Problem with Student Loans
National Review ^ | 09/13/2015 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 09/13/2015 6:37:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

As a purely economic matter, the principle of diminishing returns applies to education. Little Moonbeam almost certainly will be financially better off in life with her B.A. in women’s studies (the fact that one has an undergraduate degree matters more than what subject the degree is in), but the M.F.A. in creative writing on top of that probably will not pay comparable dividends, and the inevitable doctorate in social work is likely to prove a zero-return investment. We’re talking purely financial concerns here: Of course an intellectually curious man who makes a fine living as a specialist welder would be intellectually enriched by learning Homeric Greek, but he probably isn’t going to be financially enriched by it, because no prospective client is going to inquire as to whether he has read The Iliad in the original.

Diminishing returns to education, especially to higher education, apply collectively as well. A literate society is going to be better off than an illiterate society, and a highly numerate society is going to be better off than one that counts on its collective fingers. A society in which few barriers stand in the way of those with the talent and inclination to pursue the higher reaches of science, medicine, mathematics, music, literature, art, and other rarefied pursuits will be better off than one that stymies its talent. (You doubt the economic value of art, literature, and music? The U.S. video-game industry has 16 billion reasons a year — and growing — why you’re wrong.) But all that has its limits, like everything else, and the appearance of those M.F.A.s in creative writing and doctorates in being socially disappointed are an indication that some portion of your population is getting there.

But much of ours isn’t.

I have a longstanding complaint that while class affiliation is not nearly as nefarious a force in American social life as it is in other countries, it does make itself felt from time to time, especially in public-policy matters. The fact is that our policymakers, the think-tankers and journalists and pundits and elected officials, are, give or take the odd Scott Walker, college graduates, graduates of the same sorts of colleges, largely from college-educated homes, and working in similar professions with similar educational requirements. It is for this reason, I suspect, that college education dominates our national debate about maximizing the value of our human capital. We spend a great deal of time talking about how to get more people into four-year programs, how to make those programs more affordable, how to relieve the debt burden associated with them, etc. My Manhattan-based intellectual friends are acutely concerned about the price of getting a B.A. at Columbia or NYU but think rarely, if ever, about the fact that the city’s government high schools have a dropout rate for black men pushing 70 percent.

The bias exhibits itself in amusing ways. Adam Davidson had a very good article in the New York Times headlined “Is College Tuition Really Too High?,” a fine piece of reporting and analysis. But going through the piece and seeing which institutions loom large enough upon the mind of the New York Times contributor to merit a specific mention, we see: Harvard, Princeton, Berkeley, UVA, the University of Texas system, the University of Massachusetts. . . . The only thing at all like a community college that bubbles to the forefront of his prose is the City University of New York.

#share#But from his Times colleague Susan Dynarski we learn an interesting — and startling — fact: That mountain of new student-loan debt we’ve been hearing about, and that spike in defaults? It isn’t coming from students taking on bigger loans to get through Harvard or Berkeley. Citing a study by Adam Looney of the Treasury Department and Constantine Yannelis of Stanford University, Dynarski reports:

"The huge run-up in loans and the subsequent spike in defaults have not been driven by $100,000 debts incurred by students at expensive private colleges like N.Y.U.

They are driven by $8,000 loans at for-profit colleges and, to a lesser extent, community colleges. Borrowing for both of these has become far more common in recent years. Mr. Looney and Mr. Yannelis estimate that 75 percent of the increase in default between 2004 and 2011 can be explained by the surge in the number of borrowers at those institutions."

As usual, the policy-making class worries most about the people who most closely resemble it socially and economically. But the report finds that the people coming out of selective schools have an average loan debt at graduation of only $23,000, while their degrees provide an average annual wage premium of $20,000. “For most people who graduate from top-tier schools,” Dynarski writes, “debt is easily managed.”

We have been having a very strange debate about income inequality in the United States for the past several years, one focused almost exclusively on the status of the hated “1 percent” or super-rich segments within it. From an economic point of view, this is deeply stupid: If Lloyd Blankfein takes a $100,000-a-year pay cut next year, that isn’t going to translate into two $50,000-a-year jobs for dropouts from P.S. 154 in the Bronx. But from a political point of view, concentrating on the 1 percent makes a great deal of sense to progressives: It is not, after all, conservative-dominated institutions run by Republican-affiliated unions that have failed the poor, the black, and the brown in practically every city in the United States.

The Left’s answer to the challenge of targeting our expenditures toward those Americans who most need them is to subsidize another round of loans, which will pass through Little Moonbeam on their way to her $150,000-a-year women’s-studies professor and the university’s $800,000-a-year president. That’ll show those rich people!

The M.F.A.s can take care of themselves. So can those six-figure administrators and millionaire teachers’-union bosses. Meanwhile, the people who actually need our help get nothing.

— Kevin D. Williamson is roving editor at National Review.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: college; education; studentloans; tuition
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1 posted on 09/13/2015 6:37:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What a rambling and logically contradictory piece.

This guy is one of NR’s vicious anti-Trump hit men.


2 posted on 09/13/2015 6:39:28 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind
The Biggest Problem with Student Loans

That we're making them in the first place? Doing so fuels exorbitant inflation of tuition, and gives government something they can use as a club against any institution that dares stray from the PC path. And for what? I don't see an upside here.

3 posted on 09/13/2015 6:39:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!Just read)
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To: SeekAndFind
... and the appearance of those M.F.A.s in creative writing and doctorates in being socially disappointed are an indication that some portion of your population is getting there.

Huh?

4 posted on 09/13/2015 6:40:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want to live my cat's life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do you know the meaning of the word “excerpt”?


5 posted on 09/13/2015 6:40:54 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: SeekAndFind

IF:
...they were private loans,
AND:
...they were not not government guaranteed,
AND:
...they were not protected from standard bankruptcy law;
THEN:
...the problem would correct itself.


6 posted on 09/13/2015 6:42:04 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Read Ohio University’s Richard Vedder, director of the Center for College Affordability and Productivity.
recently spoke of the cause of rising higher education costs.. ‘”Colleges are an escape from reality. Believe me, I’ve lived in one for half a century. It’s like living in Disneyland. They’re these little isolated enclaves of nonreality.”


7 posted on 09/13/2015 6:42:26 PM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: SeekAndFind
WTF can you do or earn with a degree in woman's studies ?

I got plenty of woman's studies at college and it didn't cost me a second of classroom time.

8 posted on 09/13/2015 6:44:41 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yep. That beat-down Breitbart’s columnists have given Williamson has clearly knocked him off his game. Which is surprising, because I’ve always thought Williamson was an excellent columnist.


9 posted on 09/13/2015 6:46:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bush [the 90s rock band] for POTUS 2016!!!)
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To: 4Runner

RE: Do you know the meaning of the word “excerpt”?

Yes I do , why do you ask?

Some sites do not complain about posting the complete article.

Townhall and National Review are a few of them.

Others limit your posts to 300 words ( and the software of FR will do it for you automatically ).


10 posted on 09/13/2015 6:47:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is pure buffoonery. The guy cannot write as witnessed by his numerous grammatical errors. This is the next wave in "journalism." Nonsense.
11 posted on 09/13/2015 7:18:23 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: SeekAndFind

This guy is a terrible writer.


12 posted on 09/13/2015 7:22:53 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’re definitely overdue for some comprehensive tuition reform. These joints are ripping the kids off with their out of sight tuition costs. If college administrators were being treated the way CEOs are, people would be screaming for their heads. JMO.


13 posted on 09/13/2015 7:27:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Liberals keep looking for ways to be offended. I keep looking for ways to offend them.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Money laundering, nothing more.

Financed by your tax dollars.

14 posted on 09/13/2015 7:31:21 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Stupid question but I will ask anyway.

Two people get married, each owing on student loans. After they marry, and if a spouse dies, would the other be responsible for the deceased spouse’s unpaid loan?


15 posted on 09/13/2015 7:40:13 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!)
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To: hsmomx3

Good question.


16 posted on 09/13/2015 7:41:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Liberals keep looking for ways to be offended. I keep looking for ways to offend them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Your Honor, I will be able to post bail and retain my own attorney once my student loan is processed.”

I’ve heard these exact words numerous times in open court. I don’t believe that this was ever the intention of the do-gooders’ program.

Oldplayer


17 posted on 09/13/2015 8:00:57 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: SeekAndFind; Kaslin
Thanks for not excerpting, when it's unnecessary, as you noted, if an excerpt is required, the F.R. soft ware will let you know.

Some posters excerpt Rush Limbaugh articles, when Rush graciously allows F.R. to post the whole thing. F.R. member "Kaslin" is aware of this, that's why I only click Rush's stuff when she posts it.

Keep up the good work, both of you.

18 posted on 09/13/2015 8:24:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: oldplayer

My ex d-I-l got a student loan about 5 years ago, I don’t know the amount but has never set foot on a college campus or even taken on line classes, that was never her goal, her goal was to buy more drugs and that she did.

What will the gov. do, garnish her welfare check?


19 posted on 09/13/2015 8:31:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: hsmomx3

No, unless if it was a private loan they took out together or one consigned for the other.

The government used to give out spousal consolidation loans (combining both spouses student loans into one, usually made a lower payment over a longer term) but they no longer offer these.


20 posted on 09/13/2015 8:39:17 PM PDT by MacMattico
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