Posted on 09/13/2015 11:13:39 AM PDT by glenduh
For many conservatives, there is starting to be a common view that Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are the top choices. Jeb Bush is too salsa, Scott Walker is too Elmer Fudd, and Ben Carson's amnesty-loving ways are anathema. What does that leave us with?
On immigration, based on the current, stated positions of the candidates, Donald Trump is by far the best candidate. He's the only candidate talking about deportation. Most recently he said it could be done in 1.5-2 years, which is not the typical "beyond the horizon" 10 years most candidates give in answer to any problem. He wants to eliminate birthright citizenship. And he wants to build a wall...
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
And .. it’s not just the “illegals” we have to worry about, it’s going to be the 10,000-100,000 Syrian refugees (many of whom are Muslim terrorists).
If people really want to see this country destroyed (which seems to be this president’s aim), this is about what it will take. They will just start killing and burning this country to the ground; enlisting all the young black men who they have recently been whipping into a frenzy.
Funny, but I wonder how many leftists will be happy to see them destroying everything; TAKING AWAY ALL THEIR POWER.
“...I also have doubts any of these candidates will deal much with illegal immigration. As President they don’t operate in a vacuum. At best it gets back to where it was before Obama.”
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I guess you don’t understand how much action strong, determined leadership can engender.
He's well known.
He does not often respond but I call him out from time to time so that people can see for themselves who he is.
Failed control of immigration will render your vote meaningless. So enjoy voting now, when it may actually mean something.
Immigration is not just one issue. It affects everything else. Schools, crime, taxes, health care, jobs, etc., etc. If we don’t stop illegal immigration and have a moratorium on legal immigration, we’re toast. Nothing else matters.
There is a bridge in NYC which connects Brooklyn and Manhattan. Humongous numbers of folks cross over that bridge every day. I understand that the bridge is for sale. For a modest few million in small unmarked bills, you can obtain a quit claim deed (not a warranty deed) to the bridge, set up toll booths and see all foreseeable future generations of your family prosper with very little effort. If you obtain the deal through The Donald’s real estate operations, he will be pleased to throw in, as a bonus, a few tanker trucks of his special patent medicine Dr. Feel Good. Good luck!
Notice she begins her rant with saying Trump has a consultant for positions on issues?
LOL!
“Assuming dictatorial powers????” Is that the future IF (big IFS) Trump is nominated and elected? And CONSERVATIVES are supposed to sit still for The Donald as dictator????
Some truth to what you say. But one person can only do so much. I don’t think much will be done on illegal immigration. In fact tremendous damage almost irreversible damage has already been done. It’s just a lot of talk to bring in primary voters who are being played like a drum.
Great talk though and I welcome it. I just don’t have any expectation anything will be done on this one issue. Thus I look at a range of issues in which to choose to candidate
If the flood isn’t stopped and the water pumped out, all is lost. The destruction of America is going according to plan.
“And CONSERVATIVES are supposed to sit still for The Donald as dictator????”
It depends - how do you propose Trump, Cruz, or anyone else deal with a Supreme Court that simply PREVENTS deportations by requiring case-by-case trials - with no legal authority to require such, PREVENTS a Congress-Approved Border Wall (by allowing the left to stall it to death with environmental review after environmental review), PREVENTS employer sanctions and termination of welfare by saying the result is ‘racial disparities’?
In other words, how would you suggest Cruz, Trump, or anyone else respond to a Court System that has assumed DICTATORIAL POWERS? By saying aw shucks?
The answer, however, is NOT to elect Trump of all people (or anyone else) as a man on a white horse to run roughshod over all American constitutional provisions, traditions, rights and anything else not in accordance with his infernal id.
When the very same John Marshall in the twilight of his disastrous career as a judge on a white horse, running roughshod over etc., told Andrew Jackson that he could not send the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears from Georgia and the southeast to Oklahoma, Jackson observed that he took essentially the same oath as had Marshall and had the authority as POTUS to ignore Marshall on the subject. Jackson also invited Marshall to call out Marshall's army against Jackson if he disagreed.
In a similar vein, an authentically CONSERVATIVE POTUS such as a Cruz or several of the others could provide for basic due process evidentiary hearings limited to the question of citizenship or other rights to remain as defined by Congress, have Congress enact legislation depriving the federal judicial system of jurisdiction over immigration and a wide variety of other subjects (baby-killing, fudge-packing posing as "marriage," insert your pet issue here, etc., etc.) and thereby putting the judiciary in its place as originally intended.
This is generally referenced as "checks and balances" and was part of the original plan.
All your ideas are fine, as long as BOTH SIDES play by the rules. Beyond that, what makes you think that Congress will LIFT A FINGER for Cruz - even the Republicans there HATE HIM - and the Democrats will not do a damn thing for ANY REPUBLICAN - they’re tasting fascism and they like it, A LOT.
So, in today’s America, we’re now well beyond what you suggest, it can NEVER WORK. We should have fought back through the political process when we had the chance...now it’s simply too late.
So, I’ll guess we’ll disagree here - I want this country back, and if it means our side has to “bend the rules” for a while to get there, then SO BE IT.
As to Cruz's popularity in Congress or lack thereof, isn't that one of his virtues? Do we want someone who will learn to suck up to the likes of McConnell, Boehner and so many more? I remember Tip O'Neill, hardly a Reagan admirer, entering a Demonratic Caucus as his outraged colleagues seethed with hatred and resentment of Reagan and demanding ACTION against Reagan. O'Neill waved a sheaf of paper in the air and told them that they were the polls on Reagan which showed unprecedented levels of popularity with the voters. O'Neill told them there would be no action against Reagan unless and until the polls calmed down.
Reagan got a lot of what he wanted.
When you place in context your statement that the Democrats are "tasting fascism and they like it A LOT," it almost seems that you are jealous of them as to the means but not the ends.
Remember the masterful scene at the end of the movie Patton and its reflection that victorious Roman generals (not even encumbered by our Constitution and traditions) who had returned to Rome from the wars entered without their armies but sharing their chariots with slaves who would remind them that "All Fame Is Fleeting." The Donald and his over eager enthusiasts would do well to remember that Trump is not even Caesar much less his superior.
When the Trump fever subsides as did the Bubonic Plague and Black Plague before it, we conservatives will still be here to pick up all the pieces. We will still be committed to the rich tapestry of conservatism in all of its principles and its morality and its inconveniences for reformers in a hurry. We will do the real work of the conservative movement, educating our young people in the heritage of our civilization, electing the Scott Walkers, the Ted Cruzes, the Mike Lees and others like them as once we elected Ronaldus Maximus. We will not trade our heritage for a tanker of Dr. Feel Good.
“We have a characterization of that line of reasoning: The end justifies the means. Of course, no end justifies an immoral means.”
Tell that to the dead civilians of Dresden after we fire-bombed them. But nice try.
We may justify the Brits at Dresden and our actions against Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki as necessary to save the lives of up to a million servicemen who likely would have died taking Japan and those Americans and Brits saved by Dresden. I am well aware of the atrocities perpetrated against innocent civilians by Tojo's servants up to and including cannibalism. Nonetheless, that does not justify the mass incineration of little Japanese children growing out of our fury. Japanese and German soldiers and sailors were fair game. Little children are not and were not.
Perhaps, it is useful to point out that the US intentionally shot down an airplane which we knew carried Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, the reluctant architect of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and killed him. He was an honorable Japanese career naval officer (like many other navy leaders of that country) and the best ally we had in Tojo's government. He gave Tojo the plans for the attack and then told Tojo and the cabinet what a dreadful mistake the attack on Pearl Harbor would be.
Yamamoto who had substantial high level education in the US and had lived here for some years had two pieces of advice to Tojo against the attack on Pearl Harbor and against any attempt to invade the US.
As to Pearl Harbor, Yamamoto warned that it would awake a sleeping giant (the US) and fill it with a terrible resolve until Japan would be devastated. As to any invasion of the US, he warned that our country (even then) had a gun behind every blade of grass and that conquering the US was a total impossibility.
Yamamoto,a genuinely learned and moral man and a Japanese patriot, had, unlike the Manhattan loudmouth, studied the folly of hubris, avoided it personally and urged his nation to avoid it.
“We may justify the Brits at Dresden and our actions against Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki as necessary to save the lives of up to a million servicemen who likely would have died taking Japan and those Americans and Brits saved by Dresden.”
Brits, us, same thing. I’m glad we agree that sometimes it it is necessary to do “ugly things” to protect democracy.
I look forward to a Trump Administration.
I look forward to the end of the Trumponic Plague that is depriving so many former conservatives of functioning brain cells, conservative principles, civilized behavior and common sense.
If (though I doubt it) you are ever tempted to ponder how the Puritans who were said to have come here for religious "freedom" (in their case the freedom to persecute any who disagreed with them) became the mob that burned the "witches" (attention seeking neurotic women accused by attention seeking hysterical children), ponder the candidate you are associating yourself with and his unarticulated cause(s).
The Trump "movement" is nothing but a desperate demand of many to be paid attention to and taken seriously. Trump gives a lot of emotional satisfaction to a lot of justifiably angry people who are fed up to their eye teeth with the arrogance of the Marxist imam moron in the White Mosque and with the craven groveling of the mealy mouthed corporatist love slaves/cowards in GOP-E "leadership" who do nothing but promise pie in the sky bye and bye if we take control of the House (2010), if we take control of the Senate (2014) and now if we take control of the White House for a suitably spineless GOP-E moron. If we have both houses and the White House, then they will excuse their lies because we won't have control of the courts and particularly SCOTUS.
So the answer of many to GOP-E "leadership" total refusal to fight is to nominate Trump who is no less elitist, no less dedicated to business and profits uber alles, no more dedicated to morals in government or to the well-being of ordinary Americans.
Hopefully, the Trumponic Plague will have run its course and gotten out of our political system in time to nominate an actually conservative candidate worth voting for.
El Jebbe (who is going nowhere in any event) is no more suitable but Trump and his zombies are sucking all of the air out of the room in the hope that no one else gets attention before the convention. Then, as with McCain and Romney and Dole before him, the media can do the dance of death over Trump and what is left of the GOP and prolong the misery that motivates you and used to motivate Willard's supporters and McCain's.
BTW, the cause is FREEDOM rather than "democracy" as such. Obtain from the Intercollegiate Society of Individualists a copy of a newly republished brilliant group of essays, edited by the long dead (1972) National Review managing editor Frank Meyer entitled What is Conservatism? When you buy that book and read it, you will have bought a clue. Likely for the very first time. If not, not!
“We agree on no such thing.”
Our sides are A LOT CLOSER than you may wish. Just moments ago Bobby Jindal, who was blasting Trump just like you do, said that mayors of Sanctuary Cities should be JAILED.
Under what CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY does a president have the right to JAIL MAYORS that disagree with him on policy.
See, it has begun. You’ll be with us, soon enough.
I understand your general reluctance to admit your pride in believing that your ends justify YOUR means.
If you arrest people for violating the law (an executive department function), you jail them for serious offenses. It is up to the defendant to seek to be released on bail, often resisted by the prosecution and the amount of bail, if any, is then determined by the judge (a judicial function). The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States respectively require such "due process" of law. Ring a bell?
Before your false god orders a two hundred foot garish neon sign to be placed over 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and reading TRUMP HOUSE, he will have to be elected first. As Sinatra used to sing: It's a long, long way from May to November.
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