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To: fortheDeclaration; WVKayaker
No, Romans 7 refers to Paul’s life as a believer.

This cannot be. If so, that would be totally inconsistent with Paul's instruction in Chapter 6 to the ones professing salvation (made free from sin, Rom. 6:18,22), and the behavior of ones confessing unity with Christ ("in Christ," en being the dative of association, Rom. 8:1,2)(including himself) who walk, not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (of Christ), because they cannot serve the Spirit's law and be concurrently under the law of sin that leads to death.

These Chapters bracketing 7, in which unit Paul describes himself as having been carnal, sold under sin (not freed from its power), and walking after the flesh, is Paul executing the duties of a Pharisee and killing Christians.

In Chapter 8, he has been freed from the bondage to the law of sin and death which he describes in 7 as his master, and has become a God-fearing Christ-serving Apostle demonstrating the sanctified lifestyle developed in a mature Christian.

You cannot have both. To teach Romans 7 as being typical of the life of a regenerated believer-disciple is to give a person who only professes Christ the impression that he possesses Christ, when in actuality he likely does not, and his self-confessed behavior shows it. And that seems to have been the case of the protagonist of this article, sadly.

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Cor. 13:5 AV).

John tells us that a truly saved person does not habitually commit sin, and when guided into spiritual maturity, has overcome the Wicked One.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked" (1 Jn. 2:3-6 AV).

This is what is to be taught by the faithful man of God.

The man as described in Romans 7 is not saved. Period.

137 posted on 09/09/2015 2:31:15 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
The man as described in Romans 7 is not saved. Period.

Whaaaaaaaaaat???

Your discourse lacks consensus. Maybe you should read ALL of Paul's extant letters, then get do it again! Obviously this must be Rome's interpretation. It has nothing to do with the reality of Christian life. Indeed, it reveals a complete disconnect from the role Jesus plays in our lives. It is a classic cultic response.

15 Reasons Why Jesus Came

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners.
1 Timothy 1:15, "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Jesus Christ came into the world to call sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:17, "When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Jesus Christ came into the world to seek and save the lost. Luke 19:10, "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

Jesus came into the world to demonstrate the true purpose of life and give Himself a ransom.
Matthew 20:28, "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

Jesus Christ came into the world to be a King and bear witness to the truth.
John 18:37, "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

Jesus Christ came into the world to do the Will of His Father.
John 6:38, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."

Jesus Christ came into the world to be a Light in the world.
John 12:46, "I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness."

Jesus Christ came into the world that men might have the Abundant Life.
ohn 10:10, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Jesus Christ came into the world to Judge the world.
John 9:39, "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind."

Jesus Christ came into the world to Proclaim or preach the Good News about the Kingdom of God.
Mark 1:38, "And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth."

Jesus Christ came into the world to die on the cross.
John 12:27, "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

Jesus Christ came into the world to fulfil the law.
Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

esus Christ came into the world to be a Divider of men.
Matthew 10:34, 35, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Christ makes it necessary to choose between relatives and the truth. This choice often causes division.)

Jesus Christ came into the world as a demonstration of God's Love.
1 John 4:10, "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

Jesus Christ came into the world because the Father sent Him.
John 20:21, "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you."
a. The Father SENT Jesus to be the Propitiation (atonement) for our sins.
1 John 4:10, "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."
b. The Father SENT Jesus and gave Jesus as the Saviour of the world.
John 3:16-18, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
c. The Father SENT Jesus to bless us by turning us from our iniquities.
Acts 3:26, "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
d. The Father SENT His Son to redeem us from the curse of the law.
Galatians 4:4-5, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."
e. God SENT His Son to make possible a new power in the hearts of men, a power to enable him to fulfil the righteousness of the law.
Romans 8:3,4, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

- http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/why_jesus.html-

138 posted on 09/09/2015 3:15:00 PM PDT by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: imardmd1
Romans 7 isn't inconsistent with Romans 6.

Romans 6 explains the two natures of the believer.

The choice to yield to the Holy Spirit or not (Ro.6:16)

Romans 7 explains the battle that goes on between the two natures.

Romans 7 is a saved man dealing with sin in his life.

148 posted on 09/10/2015 12:14:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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