Posted on 08/28/2015 6:13:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Donald Trump recently appeared on Bill O’Reilly’s show and was presented with an emotive scenario intended to bring Trump into the quandary of the establishment.
In context of rounding up illegals for deportation, Mr. Trump was asked about the families. What about the undocumented people living in our country, working hard and raising children? Is Trump going to bust into every home Janet Reno-style and drag families, kids and all, to the southern border?
This scenario creates quite the image and will be used repeatedly by the press to show just how unworkable, unfair, and heartless Trump’s idea really is.
Trump’s response to the scenario was: if we are to have a country, we have to enforce our laws, and the “good” people will be fast-tracked back into our country with legal status.
The first half of Trump’s response is great – we have to enforce our laws. But for Trump and the GOP candidates who are taking a “hardline” stance on those who have broken our laws and disregarded our sovereignty, I would like to take the emotion out of this scenario and present a laconic response for the candidates.
First, under O’Reilly’s lachrymose scenario, the issue of anchor baby citizenship comes to the fore.
It’s axiomatic that the insane policy of granting U.S. citizenship to the offspring of illegal alien parents must be ended (and the 14th Amendment doesn’t need to be amended to stop it – but that’s another article).
So the unasked and unanswered question is: if the policy of indiscriminate birthright citizenship is ended, should children already afforded citizenship be allowed to keep their status? In other words, should they be grandfathered in? Should United States law state that going forward, citizenship will not be awarded to the offspring of illegal resident parents?
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A straw man at the scarecrow convention.
Doesn’t need to. Most would leave by themselves after a few high profile arrests.
1) Enforce, and I mean, REALLY enforce E-Verify. Make an example of the first few employers who violate it by giving them long stretches at Leavenworth. The rest will quickly get the hint.
2) Build the damned wall!
3) Once the wall is up, announce that you will be making available a limited amount of Green Cards each year for citizens of Mexico, but that they can ONLY be applied for in-person at the US Embassy in Mexico City.
They’ll start self-deporting quicker than you can say guacamole.
Curious. We can’t afford to send them back but we can pay them to stay here...
I don’t care that people claim ‘He can’t deport 20 million illegals.’ I care that he’s willing to imply that we should.
It’s like the border fence. Israel has one - and it reduced, by some accounts, terrorist bombings in Israel by 90%. Saudi Arabia, I believe, is building one, too - not to mention that there’s a nice one around the White House.
See, good fences do make good neighbors.
Yes. Once the wall is built. A wall like Israel has.
And anybody caught hiring them gets to pay for the deportation and gets to pay a nice fine...to the local police dept.
So the unasked and unanswered question is: if the policy of indiscriminate birthright citizenship is ended, should children already afforded citizenship be allowed to keep their status? In other words, should they be grandfathered in? Should United States law state that going forward, citizenship will not be awarded to the offspring of illegal resident parents?
Yes.
To solve our immigration crisis U.S. should adopt the Mexican immigration laws, probably the most draconian in the world.
Mexico’s Ideal Immigration Law—Let’s try it here at home
Center for Security
Policy ^ | April 13, 2006 | J. Michael Waller
Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.
That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the US look at
how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem.
Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are: in the country legally; have the means to sustain themselves economically; not destined to be burdens on society; of economic and social benefit to society; of good character and have no criminal records; and contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that: immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor foreign visitors do not violate their visa status; foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics; foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported; foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported; those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense.
The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens – and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.
It is an interesting law – and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent?
If the United States adopted the law, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society: Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national
interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country: Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86) A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned:
Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121).
Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico – such as working with out a permit – can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says, “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty
or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the countryis subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.
Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade
Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.
—yep—as I have commented before, the CEO of a company knowingly hiring illegals should go to jail about the same time as the company goes bankrupt from the fines assessed for the same offense—
—best post of the day—
Can he or can’t he? Who knows? However — he is a man who has a very long history of getting things done. I’d like to see him get the chance. I bet we’d be amazed at the positive changes that would come from someone who really loves America for a change.
Fact is we need some very draconian measures to right the wrongs of the past 25 years, because we’re already in free fall.
Many of these people either willfully ignore this reality or just prefer to keep their heads in the sand. Or they just don’t care.
We the People can do whatever we put our collective minds to do. It’s time we stopped listening to those who say making America great again is beyond our reach.
YES.... we can anything we are America! Once Trump is elected we can only pray them mothers run for the border.
There are two plausible answers to this important question:
1) Yes, we could deport 20 million wetbacks. We put a man on the moon. We dug the Panama canal. We mustered the logistics capability to fight a multi-front war in Afghanistan with quite limited assistance from its neighbors and no easy access. (That last accomplishment is actually the relevant one.) If we put our Yankee can-do minds to the problem, you BET we could find and deport FORTY million, if need be.
2) We don’t need to deport 20 million, anyhow, even though we could. We need to deport absolutely as many as we practically can, as soon as we can — and make life for the ones that remain as miserable as possible; then many will leave on their own.
No, a law abiding, America loving potus would not have to round up anybody. Just go after American businesses that employ these crimigrants. Fine them. Heavily.
Go after landlords that rent to crimigrants. Fine them as well.
Make life difficult for the invaders and they'll go home on their own. And meanwhile, build the freaking wall!
Don’t have to. Deny them benefits, use Mexico’s illegal alien laws and they’ll self deport.
Correcto...he doesn’t need to round them up. Eliminate birthright citizenship and revoke retroactively. Many will self deport. Those that don’t will eventually come into contact with either the police or government, will be arrested and physically repatriated to their families in their country of origin. Adios los illegales...
My guess is that he'd have a lot of help if he asked. A lot of volunteers willing to pitch in. Bwahahaha....
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