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Carly Fiorina: "Always the parent's choice" to vaccinate kids
CBS News ^ | 8/14/2015 | Reena Flores

Posted on 08/14/2015 7:46:15 AM PDT by Bluewater2015

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To: Boogieman

And btw: http://io9.com/5204138/a-tiny-gps-tracking-device-that-you-can-swallow


81 posted on 08/14/2015 9:13:12 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Leaning Right

The measles vaccine only lasts a few years. Most adults in this country who’ve had the measles vaccine aren’t, in fact, immune to measles. It’s questionable that anyone who actually had measles before the vaccine is actually immune either, their not having been exposed to measles in a while to ‘remind’ their immune systems.

Most adults who had the measles vaccine will be getting another dose in the near future. Bet the farm on that.


82 posted on 08/14/2015 9:13:57 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Boogieman

Do a little reading on the stuff the Gates Foundation and GAVI are working on. Hardly tinfoil stuff.


83 posted on 08/14/2015 9:15:10 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

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>> “Lawsuit about what by whom?” <<

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He was ‘speaking’ through his lower orifice on that.
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84 posted on 08/14/2015 9:15:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Arm_Bears

Vaccinations aren’t 100% effective, so it is only common sense to also segregate yourself from those who are likely to get infected.


85 posted on 08/14/2015 9:16:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Black Agnes
Most adults who had the measles vaccine will be getting another dose in the near future. Bet the farm on that.

Very interesting. Thanks for the reply. But I'm curious why you said that. Is it because that dose is really necessary, or is it for some other reason (politics, etc.)?

86 posted on 08/14/2015 9:17:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Boogieman

The MMR is a live virus vaccine. That’s been proven to shed to other people. If you’re going to segregate from people likely to infect, be sure to include the recently vaccinated in your ‘avoid’ list.


87 posted on 08/14/2015 9:18:33 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: jsanders2001

The “grain of rice” of which you speak is a data chip, not a GPS receiver.

Injecting a GPS receiver would have no purpose, since it wouldn’t be able to do anything useful with the data stream.


88 posted on 08/14/2015 9:20:35 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Phinneous

“But, But.... I thought the vaccinated kids are immune?”

There are degrees of immunity, you know.


89 posted on 08/14/2015 9:20:52 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Black Agnes

I’m not on Obamacare and my employer has never asked me to take a vaccination, so I’ll believe that when I see it.


90 posted on 08/14/2015 9:22:33 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Those who have been vaccinated are infected.

What do you think a vaccine is?


91 posted on 08/14/2015 9:22:46 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Leaning Right

“Thanks for the reply. But I’m curious why you said that. Is it because that dose is really necessary, or is it for some other reason (politics, etc.)?”

At this point, who knows. I’m sure the complete absolute truth will be told though. Never fear. But I’ve already seen editorials calling for a 3rd mandatory dose of measles vaccine. Which at this point will be the MMR because you can’t get a measles vaccine by itself anymore in this country.

They’re already giving the MMR (again) to postpartum moms before they leave the hospital. Most of the Disney measles patients were vaccinated adults.


92 posted on 08/14/2015 9:22:49 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Boogieman

http://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topics-objectives/topic/immunization-and-infectious-diseases/objectives?topicId=23

Nobody will ‘force’ you to take a vaccine. Your insurance rates will skyrocket. It will be difficult to schedule an appointment with any MD if you’re not as they will be required to have a certain % of fully vaccinated patients.

Just like pediatricians today will routinely refuse to take patients who don’t do ‘the schedule’ and ‘on time’ (because they get insurance kickbacks at the end of the year for 95%+ rates following ‘the schedule’), your MD will be held to the same standards.

So you won’t HAVE to be vaccinated. Unless you want to work around people or actually get medical care.


93 posted on 08/14/2015 9:29:50 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Boogieman; Phinneous

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>> “There are degrees of immunity, you know.” <<

Immunity is a will-o-the-wisp.

Susceptibility to disease is a function of the condition of your immune system.

I am 70 years old, never been vaccinated, lived and worked among infected people, and in infectious situations for much of the last 50 years, with no problem.

As those that have studied the subject in depth say “Its the soil, not the seed.”
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94 posted on 08/14/2015 9:29:54 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Potato patato....we both know what i’m referring to. Hidden microscopic or miniaturized tracking devices and more:

https://targetedindividualseurope.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/the-verichip-rfid-and-gps/


95 posted on 08/14/2015 9:32:48 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Leaning Right
Respectfully, you are using a false analogy comparing, "going to church" with "injecting a foreign substance in a child's body". Additionally, you are incorrect that an unvaccinated child can do harm to a vaccinated child. A "diseased" child can do harm to a non-diseased child, but not an unvaccinated one.

Regarding "government coercion", once again you are using a false analogy. Obeying laws of conduct is different from government coerced "injections" of foreign drugs.

It is nice that you can trust your doctor, however, would you really abdicate your rights as a parent to a doctor?
96 posted on 08/14/2015 9:34:22 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Vaccinations cause more deaths than the natural occurances of disease ever could.

The lion’s share of reported measles deaths are the result of the vaccine itself.”

Wow, total logic fail there. You’re making an apples-to-oranges comparison, since non-vaccine related measles are only so low nowadays because NEARLY EVERYONE is vaccinated against the disease.

Instead, a proper comparison would be to compare the number of measles vaccine deaths to the number of measles deaths over a similar period BEFORE the vaccine became available. Let’s do that.

This anti-vax site claims 108 measles-vaccine related deaths over 10 years (source: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/). Now, it’s an anti-vax site so I’ll assume their numbers are at least not underestimated.

Now the measles vaccine came out in the 1960s, so let’s see how many died in the 1950s of the measles. According to this site (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long):

“From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year...”

So we have 108 deaths over 10 years with the vaccination, versus about 4500 deaths over a similar period, before the vaccination. That’s the real comparison you need to be making.


97 posted on 08/14/2015 9:37:44 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Leaning Right

No, its not a false argument, its a fact.

While I know that those that died from the vaccine had to have had compromised immune systems, had they not been vaccinated the likelihood of accidental infection was almost non-existent.

This is the problem with all vaccination programs. The likelihood of any infectious disease is so remote that the vaccine can only increase the hazard to the general population.
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98 posted on 08/14/2015 9:39:28 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Poison Pill
There is no doubt that Salk's discovery has helped people. However people survived for thousands of years prior to Salk and still do. Abdicating our rights as a people (and parents) to government because of fear dangerous. Especially since we know that there is a God and He protects us and our children.

If there were no God, and we were evolved slime, then I would say government coercion is perfect acceptable.
99 posted on 08/14/2015 9:41:52 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Susceptibility to disease is a function of the condition of your immune system.”

Yes, and vaccines provide a direct benefit to your immune system’s ability fight specific diseases. Deny it all you want, but you won’t be able to come up with evidence to refute that.


100 posted on 08/14/2015 9:41:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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