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There's Too Much Pro-Trump And Anti-Trump Venom. Can't We Just All Agree We Don't Like Jeb?
Townhall.com ^ | August 11, 2015 | John Hawkins

Posted on 08/11/2015 5:03:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

Anger in conservative politics is generally an overhyped phenomenon. When Republicans win at the ballot box, it's supposedly all about anger. Conservatives like a talk radio host? It's about anger. If Republicans complain about some debacle Obama is involved in, it has to be all about anger.

Most of the time, that’s bunk. However, if you want to see some real anger, start listening to conservatives talking about the Republican Party. The Republican Party is led by people who are habitually incompetent, dishonest, out-of-touch and corrupt. We gave them huge wins in 2010 and 2014 and in return, the leadership of the Republican Party has lied to us, acted as if we're stupid and has done more to push Obama's agenda than ours.

A lot of the conservatives who are justifiably angry about the performance of the Republican Party have gravitated towards Donald Trump’s campaign because despite his flaws, he’s strong where the Republican Party is weak. He’s not politically correct, he’s proven himself to be hyper-competent in business, he’s a fighter, he pays attention to the base, he talks about issues conservatives care about and he can’t be bought off.

Those are an attractive set of qualities to conservative Republicans and thus far, they have been enough to draw in about a quarter of Republican primary voters in a 17-man field.

That brings us to the debate on Fox.

During the debate, Fox moderators spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get the candidates to fight with each other, but they obviously had a special dislike for Trump. Even Lindsey Graham, who hates Trump’s guts admitted it was like they were trying to make him look like the “biggest b@stard on the planet.”

Afterwards, Trump was justifiably unhappy with Fox, but he went too far in attacking Megyn Kelly. Even if you take Trump at his word (which I do) that he wasn't referring to Megyn Kelly being on her period, he shouldn’t be calling her a “bimbo” or spending an inordinate amount of time slamming a news anchor. For Donald Trump, the television personality, that might make sense. Donald Trump the presidential candidate should have bigger fish to fry.

Next up, after inviting Donald Trump to the Redstate gathering, Erick Erickson pulled his invitation and invited Megyn Kelly instead. It’s his event and he can do what he wants with it, but it was a ridiculous move. It was also a bit puzzling because it’s supposed to be a grassroots event and per the first poll that came out after the debate, two candidates largely supported by the grassroots in first and third (Trump with 23% and Carson at 11%) weren’t welcome to speak while Jeb Bush was.

From there, the back and forth on social media between conservatives on both sides has started devolving into a total food fight – which seems particularly silly considering the circumstances.

The first primary is roughly FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS away. That’s practically an eternity in campaign time and it will give everyone plenty of time to vet all the candidates, including Trump, before they vote. In the interim, even if you’re a grassroots conservative who doesn’t like Trump, you shouldn’t be upset that he’s in first place. As I explained a few weeks ago, Trump’s surge is PROTECTING the other conservative candidates.

However, there’s a huge plus to the “all Trump, all the time” coverage that most people have missed. In the 2008 and 2012 elections, the mainstream media and the establishment picked the candidates they liked best (McCain and Mitt) and then they systematically destroyed anybody else who started to get any traction.

This time around, Trump is acting like a missile defense shield for the rest of the field. Reagan’s work on a missile defense shield helped break the Soviets and Trump’s shield may help us break the liberal media/squishy Republican stranglehold on picking our nominee.

So, let’s interject a little reality here.

The same network that has Sean Hannity, Greg Gutfeld and tons of grassroots conservative guests may have been unfair to Trump during the debate, but it’s not an establishment network. Megyn Kelly also may not have been fair to Trump, but she does a lot of good work and who cares if she’s been on the Howard Stern show or did a sexy photoshoot a few years back? Since when are conservatives against women trying to look hot? Also, I’ve knocked heads with Erick Erickson before and certainly don’t agree with how he handled the latest Redstate gathering, but he’s not the devil. He’s done plenty of good work for grassroots conservatives. Incidentally, I’d say roughly the same thing about some of the pundits at National Review who’ve gone to extremes in savaging Trump. I understand the desire to be just as nasty to them as they’re being to Trump, but it’s ultimately not good for the movement.

What I’d also say to the big names in the conservative movement that are going more insane over Trump than they do over Obama is that you’re also insulting the people who are supporting him. Those people are, for the most part, grassroots conservatives who are tired of being told, “Vote Republican and then sit down and shut up about what you want because nobody cares.” Their concerns are legitimate and Donald Trump is doing a better job of speaking to them than anybody else right now. When Donald Trump is treated unfairly after he gives a voice to those conservatives, then his supporters are also being treated just as unfairly by proxy and it’s no surprise that it makes them mad enough to fire back.

Meanwhile, waiting in the background to be crowned by the mainstream media and the GOP establishment is Jeb Bush. A man who thinks he’s owed the presidency by virtue of being born a Bush. A man Establishment Republicans are determined to foist on the rest of us despite the fact that he has no charisma, he’s for Common Core and he’ll push massive illegal immigration. A man who said, “I used to be a conservative" and you have to be willing to “lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles."

As Laura Ingraham said at CPAC, “The idea that we should hold a coronation (for Jeb Bush) because 50 rich families decided who best represents their interests…no way, Jose!”

If you want to aim some venom at somebody, don’t aim it at your fellow grassroots conservatives, Donald Trump or Megyn Kelly. Instead, aim it at the guy who’s flat-out telling you he doesn’t care what you think about the issues because his family name, all the money behind him and the support of the establishment means he’s going to win no matter what the “little people” think.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; bush; debates; donaldtrump; jebbush; megynkelly; redstategathering; trump
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To: Fresh Wind
townhall.com = Salem Communications

It's bigger than I realized. It turns out that Salem has gobbled up a whole host of formerly independent conservative outlets. So the amount of independence vs coordinated messaging coming from any of these now interconnected outlets is anybody's guess.

Salem Communications = Townhall = Redstate = Hot Air= Eagle Publishing = Regnery Publishing = Human Events = Salem Radio Nerwork =

61 posted on 08/11/2015 9:31:22 AM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: Kaslin

Jeb who?


62 posted on 08/11/2015 9:32:33 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses... RIP Roddy Piper.)
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To: LottieDah
"It bears repeating. Why all the hand-wringing and teeth gnashing over Jeb Bush? He hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of being nominated let alone winning"

Because Jeb has the money and machinery of the GOP establishment behind him and they can game the nomination process.

63 posted on 08/11/2015 9:34:17 AM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: Kaslin

I no vote for Heb.


64 posted on 08/11/2015 10:19:15 AM PDT by Dindoo Nuffin
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To: bray
-- She is toeing the company line and is not an objective journalist let alone a Conservative. --

She was predicting that Bush is a determined opponent, who would start playing dirty with attack ads in the early primary states, who has a network of financial support willing to go the distance. She wasn't expressing support for his positions, or his candidacy.

I saw it as a warning, not an opinion that Jeb sold himself to the public during the debate.

65 posted on 08/11/2015 11:04:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Kaslin

Doesn’t need to be said. No one likes Jeb.


66 posted on 08/11/2015 11:05:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Pelham

Money and machinery mean nothing when the public dislikes you and your family and your policies. It is such a waste of time and energy to go after Bush. Set your sites on the real enemy and knock it out.


67 posted on 08/11/2015 12:17:32 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: xzins

“...Make no mistake: Brit, Bret, Rove, Ailes, and Murdoch are all on the Bush bandwagon.”

Sometimes the bandwagon careens and goes off course. One could even be mowed down by a “bandwagon”. Loyal FOX watchers do not like Jeb Bush. Liberals who call Fox News Faux News don’t like Jeb Bush either. So that so-called “bandwagon” is pretty much useless.


68 posted on 08/11/2015 12:27:02 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Kaslin
"Vota-Me...Vota-me muuuuucho..."


69 posted on 08/11/2015 4:22:07 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Kaslin
Can't We Just All Agree We Don't Like Jeb?


70 posted on 08/11/2015 4:24:01 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: bray
Laura Ingrahm claimed Bush won the debate on the Sunday program.

Where did you hear that? I can't believe anyone would say that.

I haven't listened to her in ten years, I do remember liking her back then, but Jeb won the debate?

Good grief, if that's true (her believing that), it's a sign at least some of America is NOT waking up.......

71 posted on 08/11/2015 4:26:05 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Caipirabob

LOL Good one Except you should have said: “Voto por mí mucho” According to Bing translations


72 posted on 08/11/2015 4:33:59 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Dindoo Nuffin

Love your name. LOL


73 posted on 08/11/2015 4:35:49 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: LottieDah

Seeing as you discount the importance of money and the machinery of the GOP in selecting the nominee, who do you think has the edge?


74 posted on 08/11/2015 4:51:21 PM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: Kaslin

True, but the song I’m joking about is “Besa-me mucho”. : )


75 posted on 08/11/2015 4:58:19 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Pelham

“Seeing as you discount the importance of money and the machinery of the GOP in selecting the nominee, who do you think has the edge?”

To be honest it is still a crap shoot as far as I am concerned. You can’t have a candidate that does not appeal to the populace. Conservatives are sorely outnumbered. Trump has the money but I don’t think he’s the one to bet the farm on. Besides it is debatable whether Trump is conservative or just preaches to the choir. As I said before nobody likes Bush or his family so he is a non-starter.


76 posted on 08/11/2015 5:21:49 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: LottieDah

Well I agree with you that Bush is unpopular and won’t win in the general. But with the party machinery and money behind him he’s almost certain to get the nomination all the same. I like Cruz but I doubt that he stands a chance against Bush at the convention. I think Trump is the one wild card that the insiders weren’t prepared to deal with. They can’t outspend him, they can’t control him with money, and he’s hit a chord with a lot of angry voters who hate the party insiders.


77 posted on 08/11/2015 5:32:02 PM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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