Fox News Republican Candidates 5 P.M. Debate LIVE THREAD [bottom tier]

On Twitter, it is being called various things, such as:

"The Also-Ran Debate" The "Children's Table Debate" The "No-Chance-In-Hell Debate."

Could be interesting....

I will miss the first half. Hope they will replay.

They can say what they want, but I see an opportunity for a Jindal, or Fiorina to get a bigger boost out of this than any in the later debate.

I think we’ll see more “Meat” from the first debate, than the second.

1) They need to make an impression.
2) They have more TIME to make a point, and don’t have to speak in sound-bites, hoping that something they said gets picked up by the MSM

I’ll watch the Happy Hour Debate, I find these quite fun and interesting. Certainly better than any other reality show.

Flips the drone into hover mode.. Not to close..

Don’t wanna mess with The Donald’s hair..

Or ruffle Wallace’s eyebrows

Or flip Rubio’s schooner..

What?

LOL.

BookMark

Posting to mark this thread for me for later

Mashable

Dan Rather’s drinking game is the only way we’ll get through this debate

By Mashable

A not-so-sober guide to the first GOP presidential debate of the season.

The Media Angst begins...

Waves.. Don’t make waves.. ;-)

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How you been, Tennessee Nana? Good to see you!

Wacka Wacka.

Should I post an essay I wrote on freedom here? IMO freedom is really what it’s all about but if it returns to us it will probably be in stages. That’s why I’m for Trump. He could be Stage One for blast off...

Freedom - The Choice Over Unconstitutional Government and Tyranny

The ONLY real, valid choice in life is freedom, especially when faced with tyranny. Freedom is at the heart of most issues these days even if many don’t realize it. Your run-of-the-mill politician and most candidates for 2016 election see no political future in freedom. Of course that makes sense since political freedom is the absence of government and government coercion.

Individual freedom or liberty is tremendously valuable and easily lost and is being drowned out by the deafening drum beats and bull horns of the Leftist MSM, government schools, government press corps, and politicians grasping for fame, fortune (your money) and power (at the expense of your freedom). The illusion of government-provided security and “equality” seems now to many if not most to be worth the price of individual freedom.

There are very few times in the history of man that a society has lived free for any length of time. Almost all of the history of man is a story of misery and oppression under tyranny. America for about 125 years or so until around 1900 is one such rare example of a free society. What we are seeing now is the throes of individual freedom being smothered by the relentless march of oppression and tyranny behind the temporary veneer of “care”, “compassion”, and “equality.”

If freedom loses, we lose. Have we lost? Is freedom over as an individual value and societal treasure? Maybe not. I have hope that the same God that miraculously and against all odds gave birth to this wonderful country may cause a new birth of freedom to surge in America and from thence around the world one more time.

Apparently freedom is not as easily understood as one might think. Freedom has no press corps, no loudspeakers. While government solutions blast loudly, freedom whispers. Freedom is delicate, but it takes courage and bravery to defend her. Freedom must reign in the heart or not at all. Many seem to have lost either their love for freedom or their understanding of freedom or both.

What is individual freedom, or liberty, and what will it take to recover her as the principal value in America? Well, I see three main areas of freedom and they are interconnected: economic freedom, political freedom and spiritual freedom.

Economic freedom is the voluntary cooperation of the market economy free from government coercion or interference. The free market is freedom in action and is the only source of true wealth as it was for America in the 1800’s. Command and control government economic solutions are, as Hayek put it, the road to serfdom. Most of the economy is hampered by the interference of the $4 trillion federal government. Economic vibrancy and freedom requires this to be drastically reversed.

Political freedom is the rule of law. In the American context, political freedom is the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land. Tyranny is rule by the whims of man without restraint. Unconstitutional federal acts are by definition, acts of tyranny. The federal beast with two heads has gradually grown over the last 125 years into an unimaginable gargantuan $4 trillion problem by feasting on and devouring the Constitution. One head represents the sheer size of this monster. Cutting it down to constitutional size would mean dissolving most cabinet posts with their bloated bureaucratic departments and dissolving the “Administrative State” of these hideous regulatory agencies. The other head represents 125 years of unconstitutional SCOTUS decisions giving the beast its apparent power and authority which would have to be repealed and/or nullified. Both heads must be destroyed to kill the beast.

The battle for political freedom must be fought at all levels. Offensive, what I call “top-down” direct attacks on the feds must be waged by electing strong candidates (I have no problem with Trump) and efforts like the COS proposed by CSG. Repeal the 17th Amendment. Defensive, what I call “bottoms-up” measures, also necessary by states “circling the wagons” and simply protecting their citizens from federal tyranny by rejecting and nullifying unconstitutional federal acts. Full-court press. All-out attack on every front.

Spiritual freedom is the most important freedom because faith has eternal consequences and also was the engine that powered the birth of America and the Constitution. Faith and knowledge. Without faith in God, America would never have happened. America was born in an era of world-wide faith in God. Independence from government and individual freedom were highly valued because generally people were spiritually free in their knowledge of Jesus Christ. They trusted in God who prospered them. They did not trust in man or government knowing that “the help of man is vain” (PS 68:11, 108:12) and that government was a trap. That era ended around 1900.

Since then people have gradually decided they don’t need God, but instead have learned to depend on man and government. Those without faith don’t really get freedom and are inclined to depend on man and government for their needs. We see the results everywhere and the words of scripture ring truer than ever: “Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from the Lord” (Jer 17:5). Without individual, spiritual freedom, it is impossible to maintain political or economic freedom because people have little understanding or desire for it (until they experience the pain of tyranny but by then, it is too late).

What now? Well, there is evidence that God may have yet another miracle for America and the world. A new breath of grace and faith is surging across our land and around the world. I believe this spiritual outpouring is the latter rain in the latter house, the church, spoken of by Joel and Haggai, which could bring a resurgence of faith in America and around the world before Jesus returns to take his people and the end comes crashing down. Scripture hints at a last burst of faith and in-gathering before the end comes (Matt 22:2-10). I believe there is a grace revolution underway in and through the church and this gospel revolution will turn many to faith in God and very possibly result in a rebirth of freedom, trust in God, and distrust in man and his government “solutions”.

“Trust in God and keep your powder dry.”

Blessed of the LORD

:)

Howz yaself ???

Candidates 5pm: Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, Graham, Pataki, Gilmore
Candidates 9pm: Trump, Bush, Walker, Huckabee, Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Christie, Kasich

Norm, could you make up another funny analogy about hovering too close that would correspond with not contributing to Free Republic, to remind everyone to give to their favorite conservative website while they are on this thread. Thanks in advance. ( Or words to that effect.)

BTW, flipping Rubio’s schooner is my favorite.

Some of the stuff on Twitter is hilarious: Rick Perry preparing for the debate:

That pic reminds me of the scene in Life is Beautiful where the Jewish boy eats with the German kids..