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The thing about flat stock markets [The Market Is Running Out of Breath & Breadth]
Fortune ^ | July 30, 2015 | oshua Brown

Posted on 07/31/2015 5:30:56 AM PDT by expat_panama

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The article included a graphic/script to play with--

--pretty much shows what (imho) we've been seeing while we've had to put up w/ morons screaming about "soaring QE driven stock markets".

1 posted on 07/31/2015 5:30:56 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

Deja vu reruns --looking at a repeat of yesterday: futures stocks -0.21% and metals -1.11% all after yesterdays no-where'sville.  Reports this AM Employment Cost Index, Chicago PMI, and Michigan Sentiment - Final.

2 posted on 07/31/2015 5:37:34 AM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: expat_panama

With no sheep to fleece the hft bots are biding their time.


3 posted on 07/31/2015 5:39:29 AM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: expat_panama

Or maybe it means that even with QE the markets won’t soar.


4 posted on 07/31/2015 5:54:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: expat_panama

Looks like we’ll written code to me, no memory leaks!


5 posted on 07/31/2015 5:56:06 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: expat_panama

Even with bank accounts and CDs offering less than one percent, the stock market is the last place I’d invest right now.


6 posted on 07/31/2015 5:56:49 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: expat_panama

“...The median return for all 12 flat-market years has been 6%...”


7 posted on 07/31/2015 6:18:05 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: expat_panama

Could you put me on your finance ping list please?


8 posted on 07/31/2015 6:25:22 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring; expat_panama

Me too - thanks.


9 posted on 07/31/2015 7:21:00 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: expat_panama

There is no there, there.


10 posted on 07/31/2015 7:46:20 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: expat_panama

Gold took a big leap, today. Works for me! And, you’re right - my 401K and IRA have not moved much (still UP, but not by much) since last Fall.

Got a LOT more principle paid on the farm mortgage, though, and you know where my priorities lie, anyway. :)

Better buy a few more ribbons on eBay for my old Olivetti. I’ve got a Manifesto to type, LOL!


11 posted on 07/31/2015 10:44:24 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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still UP, but not by much

--and imho that beats the heck outa "down-not-by-much"...

12 posted on 07/31/2015 1:26:58 PM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: Sawdring; jonno

Done!


13 posted on 07/31/2015 1:31:12 PM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: DuncanWaring
...even with QE...

Lots of folks on these threads talk about QE --maybe to sound like they've been thinking about these things-- but more often than not nobody seems to have any idea just what QE is.  If you get a chance, please tell us what QE you're talking about that's "with" us these days?

14 posted on 07/31/2015 1:37:12 PM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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QE in the modern era ... the Federal Reserve buying hundreds of billions of treasury bonds.

Or have they quit that?

If they’ve quit, who’s buying all the bonds?


15 posted on 07/31/2015 3:42:06 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: expat_panama

Good point. The most destructive policy is the Federal Reserve’s zero interest rate policy (ZIRP) which has been in place for so long that there hasn’t been a rate increase in more than nine years.


16 posted on 07/31/2015 4:22:30 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: expat_panama

a fortune and therefore discredited chartist rants over his analysis of the entrails


17 posted on 07/31/2015 4:24:14 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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QE in the modern era ... the Federal Reserve buying hundreds of billions of treasury bonds.

The big buying sprees were '09, '11, and '13.  The S&P had already begun its bounce before all three and the big '12-'15 run happened after QE1 and QE2.  Fed buying stopped back in Sept. '14 and the S&P continued to climb for half a year.  There's more going on w/ stocks than just QE.

If they’ve quit, who’s buying all the bonds?

From '08 to '15 the total Federal debt doubled by selling $9T and of that the Fed bought "only" $2T.  There are plenty of other buyers.

18 posted on 08/01/2015 5:30:43 AM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: 1010RD
The most destructive policy is the Federal Reserve’s zero interest rate

Zero interest didn't "destroy" anything.  The left just likes to say that so we won't blame taxes, regulations, and the loss of the rule of law.

19 posted on 08/01/2015 5:34:48 AM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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Pete, we agree on a lot of things, but ZIRP bailed out bad banks and punished the prudent savers. I wholly blame terrible fiscal policy by Democrats from the local level to the federal level for screwing up the economy. Yet the FEDs response was the bail out banks with ZIRP which punishes the responsible people. Moral hazard is real. This low interest rate environment is unrealistic and net harmful.


20 posted on 08/01/2015 6:05:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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